How should ISPs notify customers about Bots (Was Re: DNS Hijacking
Joe Greco
jgreco at ns.sol.net
Mon Jul 23 20:44:24 UTC 2007
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 02:48:05PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/23/07, Joe Greco <jgreco at ns.sol.net> wrote:
> > > > All right, here we go. Please explain the nature of the bot on my freshly
> > > > installed (last night) FreeBSD 6.2R box.
> > >
> > > %age of freshly installed freebsd 6.2R boxes v/s random windows boxes
> > > on cox cable?
> >
> > That's fairly irrelevant. The fact is that this isn't targetting infected
> > boxes, it's targetting everyone.
>
> its relevant because you specified freebsd and hence it becomes necessary to consider what % of users have freebsd boxes and how many of those are infected
No, it's not necessary to consider what % of users have FreeBSD boxes. I
simply used that to indicate that the box in question /is/ /not/ /infected/,
and yet I'm being redirected.
The point here is that it is inappropriate to break legitimate services in
the pursuit of the "greater good".
> > > Like anything else, its a numbers game.
> >
> > All of computing is a numbers game. That doesn't make it right to go around
> > breaking random services just because it might fix some random problem.
>
> "right" .. whats that then? you're buying a product, you have T&Cs,
> you are protected by consumer law.. what moral of society is being
> breached for it not to be "right"?
If I'm buying Internet access, and I ask for irc.vel.net, I expect to be
connected to that site.
> and neither the services are random or the problem. they are quite
> specific and the solution has been calculated to be the path of least
> resistance for the whole.
>
>
> you sound a lot like a consumer more than a network operator..
Every network operator is a consumer and a provider.
> i'm not
> saying i would like what cox do if i were a consumer of theirs but
> they are dealing with an issue on their subscription service and
> they dont seem to be doing anything particularly radical
This isn't radical?
> do you have a better suggestion for them?
Sure. Posted already. If they need some professional advice, there's a
ton of people who could provide highly effective solutions.
> incidentally, if you are a consumer and a tech-savvy one, why dont
> you just circumvent the restriction?
For the same reason I don't support having multiple incoherent DNS roots.
... JG
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Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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