Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
constantinegi at corp.earthlink.net
Wed Jan 10 13:46:30 UTC 2007
Many of the small carriers, who are doing IPTV in the U.S., have
acquired their content rights through a consortium, which has since
closed its doors to new membership.
I cannot stress this enough: content is the key to a good industry-
changing business model. Broad appeal content will gain broad
interest. Broad interest will change the playing field and compel
content providers to consider alternative consumption/delivery models.
The ILECs are going to do it. They have deep pockets. Look at how
quickly they were able to get franchising laws adjusted to allow them
to offer video.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:30 AM, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
> I completely agree, and due diligence on business models will show
> that fact very clearly. And nothing much has changed here in terms
> of substance over the last 4+ yrs either. Costs and opportunities
> have changed or evolved rather, but not the mechanics.
> Infrastructure capital is very much the gating factor in every
> major video distribution infrastructure (and the reason why DOCSIS
> 3.0 is just such a neato thing). The carriage deals are merely
> table stakes, and that doesn't mean they're easy. They are
> And some business models are just fundamentally broken.
> Examples for infrastructure costs are size of CSA's or cost
> upgrading CPE is a far bigger deal than carriage. And if you can't
> get into RT's in a ILEC colo arrangement, that doesn't per se
> globally invalidate business models, but rather provides unique
> challenges and limitations on a given specific business model.
> What has changed is that ppl are actually 'doing it'. And that
> proves that several models are viable for funding in all sorts of
> flavors and risks.
> IPTV is fundamentally subject to the analog fallacies of VoIP
> replacing 1FR/1BR service on 1:1 basis (toll arbitrage or anomalies
> aside). There seems to be plenty of that. A new IP service
> offering no unique features over specialzed and depreciated
> infrastructure will not be viable until commoditized and not at an
> early maturity level like where IPTV is at.
> Unless an IPTV service offers a compelling cost advantage, mass
> adoption will not occur. And any cost increase will have to be
> justifiable to consumers, and that cannot be underestimated.
> But, some just continue to ignore those fundamentals and those
> business models will fail. And we should be thankful for that self
> cleansing action of a functioning market.
> Enough rambling after a long day at CES, I suppose. Thanks for
> reading this far.
> Best regards,
> Sent from my BlackBerry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marshall Eubanks <tme at multicasttech.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:52:06
> To:Gian Constantine <constantinegi at corp.earthlink.net>
> Cc:Bora Akyol <bora at broadcom.com>,"Simon Lockhart"
> <simon at slimey.org>, Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com,nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
>> It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The
>> issue is not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying
>> between content providers (big media conglomerates) and the video
>> service providers (cable companies).
> Not necessarily. Depends on your business model.
>> Gian Anthony Constantine
>> Senior Network Design Engineer
>> Earthlink, Inc.
>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Bora Akyol wrote:
>>> An additional point to consider is that it takes a lot of effort and
>>> $$$$ to get a channel allocated to your content in a cable network.
>>> This is much easier when TV is being distributed over the Internet.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On
>>>> Behalf Of Simon Lockhart
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM
>>>> To: Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com
>>>> Cc: nanog at merit.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
>>>> day, continuously?
>>>> On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +0000,
>>>> Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com wrote:
>>>>> Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
>>>>> is so successful, why would you want to use the
>>>>> Internet for it? What is the benefit?
>>>> How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast
>>>> If you want more, your choices are satellite or cable. To get
>>>> cable, you
>>>> need to be in a cable area. To get satellite, you need to
>>>> stick a dish on
>>>> the side of your house, which you may not want to do, or may
>>>> not be allowed
>>>> to do.
>>>> With IPTV, you just need a phoneline (and be close enough to
>>>> the exchange/CO
>>>> to get decent xDSL rate). In the UK, I'm already delivering
>>>> 40+ channels over
>>>> IPTV (over inter-provider multicast, to any UK ISP that wants it).
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