Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

Sun Jan 7 17:45:06 UTC 2007

Dear Gian;

On Jan 7, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Gian Constantine wrote:

> You know, when it's all said and done, streaming video may be the  
> motivator for migrating the large scale Internet to IPv6. I do not  
> see unicast streaming as a long term solution for video service. In  
> the short term, unicast streaming and PushVoD models may prevail,  
> but the ultimate solution is Internet-wide multicasting.
>
> I want my m6bone. :-)
>

Well, help make it possible. Join the MboneD WG list. Help us  
recharter. Come to Prague, even, if you can.

BTW, have you taken the multicast survey :

http://www.multicasttech.com/survey/MBoneD_Survey_v_1_5.txt
http://www.multicasttech.com/survey/MBoneD_Survey_v_1_5.pdf   ?

Regards
Marshall

> Gian Anthony Constantine
> Senior Network Design Engineer
> Earthlink, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:
>
>> If this application takes off, I have to presume that everyone's  
>> baseline network usage metrics can be tossed out the window...
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> From: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
>> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping  
>> ISP...
>> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:11:46 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: "D.H. van der Woude" <dirkvanderwoude at gmail.com>
>> Date: January 5, 2007 11:06:31 AM EST
>> To: dave at farber.net
>> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping  
>> ISP...
>>
>>
>> I am one of Venice' beta testers. Works like a charm,
>> admittedly with a 20/1 Mbs ADSL2+ connection and
>> a unlimited use ISP.
>>
>> Even at sub-DVD quality the data use is staggering...
>>
>> Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions
>> http://www.out-law.com/page-7604
>> OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007
>>
>> Internet television system The Venice Project could break users'  
>> monthly internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team  
>> behind it.
>>
>> It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers,  
>> meaning that users could reach their monthly download limits in  
>> hours and that it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.
>>
>> The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus  
>> Friis and Niklas Zennström, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind  
>> the revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being  
>> used by 6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.
>>
>> The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to  
>> beta testers and the instructions make it very clear what the  
>> bandwidth requirements are so that users are not caught out.
>>
>> Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on  
>> their internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a  
>> streaming video application, and so uses a relatively high amount  
>> of bandwidth per hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and  
>> 105 Megabytes uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1  
>> Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. Also, the application continues to run  
>> in the background after you close the main window."
>>
>> "For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte  
>> or have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to  
>> always exit the Venice Project client completely when you are  
>> finished watching it," says the document
>>
>> Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use  
>> by time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be  
>> transferred over the connection each month. Though limits are  
>> 'advisory' and not strict, users who regularly far exceed the  
>> limits break the terms of their deals.
>>
>> BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1,  
>> for example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be  
>> reached after 20 hours of viewing.
>>
>> The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being  
>> used. The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P)  
>> network, which means that users host and send the programmes to  
>> other users in an automated system.
>>
>> OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of  
>> the testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This  
>> is going to be the one. I've used some of the other software out  
>> there and it's fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got  
>> it right," he said. "It looks great, you fire it up and in two  
>> minutes you're live, you're watching television."
>>
>> The source said that claims being made for the system being "near  
>> high definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark.  
>> "It's not high definition. It's the same as normal television," he  
>> said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- "Private where private belongs, public where it's needed, and  
>> an admission that circumstances alter cases." Robert A. Heinlein,  
>> 1969
>>
>> -- 
>> Thomas Leavitt - thomas at thomasleavitt.org - 831-295-3917 (cell)
>>
>> *** Independent Systems and Network Consultant, Santa Cruz, CA ***
>>
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