Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

Gian Constantine constantinegi at
Sun Jan 7 15:27:25 UTC 2007

You know, when it's all said and done, streaming video may be the  
motivator for migrating the large scale Internet to IPv6. I do not  
see unicast streaming as a long term solution for video service. In  
the short term, unicast streaming and PushVoD models may prevail, but  
the ultimate solution is Internet-wide multicasting.

I want my m6bone. :-)

Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.

On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:52 AM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

> If this application takes off, I have to presume that everyone's  
> baseline network usage metrics can be tossed out the window...
> Thomas
> From: David Farber <dave at>
> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping  
> ISP...
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:11:46 -0500
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: "D.H. van der Woude" <dirkvanderwoude at>
> Date: January 5, 2007 11:06:31 AM EST
> To: dave at
> Subject: Using Venice Project? Better get yourself a non-capping  
> ISP...
> I am one of Venice' beta testers. Works like a charm,
> admittedly with a 20/1 Mbs ADSL2+ connection and
> a unlimited use ISP.
> Even at sub-DVD quality the data use is staggering...
> Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions
> OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007
> Internet television system The Venice Project could break users'  
> monthly internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team  
> behind it.
> It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers,  
> meaning that users could reach their monthly download limits in  
> hours and that it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.
> The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus Friis  
> and Niklas Zennström, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind the  
> revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being used  
> by 6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.
> The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to  
> beta testers and the instructions make it very clear what the  
> bandwidth requirements are so that users are not caught out.
> Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on  
> their internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a  
> streaming video application, and so uses a relatively high amount  
> of bandwidth per hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and  
> 105 Megabytes uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1  
> Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. Also, the application continues to run in  
> the background after you close the main window."
> "For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte  
> or have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to  
> always exit the Venice Project client completely when you are  
> finished watching it," says the document
> Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use by  
> time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be transferred  
> over the connection each month. Though limits are 'advisory' and  
> not strict, users who regularly far exceed the limits break the  
> terms of their deals.
> BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, for  
> example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be reached  
> after 20 hours of viewing.
> The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being  
> used. The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P)  
> network, which means that users host and send the programmes to  
> other users in an automated system.
> OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of  
> the testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This is  
> going to be the one. I've used some of the other software out there  
> and it's fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got it  
> right," he said. "It looks great, you fire it up and in two minutes  
> you're live, you're watching television."
> The source said that claims being made for the system being "near  
> high definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark.  
> "It's not high definition. It's the same as normal television," he  
> said.
> -- "Private where private belongs, public where it's needed, and an  
> admission that circumstances alter cases." Robert A. Heinlein, 1969
> -- 
> Thomas Leavitt - thomas at - 831-295-3917 (cell)
> *** Independent Systems and Network Consultant, Santa Cruz, CA ***
> <thomas.vcf>

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