botnets: web servers, end-systems and Vint Cerf

Gadi Evron ge at linuxbox.org
Sun Feb 18 01:22:24 UTC 2007


On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Gadi Evron wrote:
> >> Public ISPs have been testing these types of systems for over 5 years.
> >> What sorts of differences can you think of that would explain why public
> >> ISPs have found them not very effective?
> >>
> >> Public ISPs have been using walled gardens for a long time for user
> >> registration and collecting credit card information.  So they know how to
> >> implement walled gardens.  But what happens when public ISPs use it for
> >> infected machines?
> >>
> >
> > Many already do, successfully.
> >
> > When I say many I actually mean I know of 6. 3 of them huge, 3 of them
> > relatively small.
> 
> Interesting use of the word "many."  Many people use Multics.

:))

> I know of "many" more that have tested it and returned it to various 
> vendors.  There are several tough problems people are still trying
> to solve.

Yes, but that is because the successful ISPs currently often implement
their own if they have the resources and R&D power. The really big ones
have it automated, the small ones have it limited to be "activated by an
abuse desk person".

	Gadi.




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