[Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

Mon Sep 11 18:50:04 UTC 2006

Nick,

You make an incorrect assumption - that IP addresses are currently free
(they are not, in either money or time) and that commoditizing them will
increase their cost (there is significant evidence it will not). 

If I have the choice between paying $500 for a /24 of PI space or going to
my upstreams, getting IP space, applying to ARIN for a /22 of PI space,
eventually numbering out of the PA space - how much money have I spent?

- Daniel Golding

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Michael Nicks
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:19 PM
> To: andrew2 at one.net
> Cc: nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have
> feedback?]
> 
> 
> The real fundamental flaw with this free-market approach to handling IP
> assignments is the fact that it will further create an environment where
> smaller (start-ups, small businesses) entities trying to acquire PI
> space will face insurmountable challenges (eg, financial).
> 
> While I think the majority of people these days would agree that the
> free-market approach to economics is definitely the best, certain
> resources are not very applicable to be traded in a free-market
> environment. I myself do not like over-bureaucratic processes, and while
> all of us at one time or another have complained about ARIN's
> procedures, policies, and practices, the purpose they serve is a needed
> one.
> 
> Best Regards,
> -Michael
> 
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> 
> 
> andrew2 at one.net wrote:
> >
> > 3) What's wrong with treating assignments like property and setting up a
> > market to buy and sell them? There's plenty of precedent for this:
> >
> >  Mineral rights, mining claims, Oil and gas leases, radio spectrum.
> >
> >  If a given commodity is truly scarce, nothing works as good as the free
> > market in encouraging consumers to conserve and make the best use of it.
> >
> >
> > I think you're dead-on there, but you forget who you're really trying to
> > convince.  It'll happen eventually but in the meantime the greybeards
> > who were largely responsible for the Internet as we know it (and who by
> > and large still wield significant influence if not still stewardship)
> > will be dragged there kicking and screaming from their
> > academic/pseudo-Marxist ideals, some of whom seem to still resent the
> > commercialization of the Internet.  It's also hard to see the faults in
> > the system when you are insulated by your position as member of the
> > politburo.
> >
> > The flip side of the coin of course is that if you let the free market
> > reign on IP's, you may price developing countries right off the Internet
> > which I don't think anyone sees as a desirable outcome.  There's sure to
> > be a happy middle ground that people smarter than I will figure out, and
> > maybe it takes a silly lawsuit such as this to kick things off.
> >
> > Andrew Cruse