ARIN sucks?

David Temkin dave at
Sun Sep 17 15:56:47 UTC 2006

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at [mailto:owner-nanog at] On 
> Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:56 AM
> To: nanog at
> Subject: Re: ARIN sucks?
> >All our experiences consulting our clients about how to get their AS 
> >and Subnets have been pretty easy and fast.
> >
> >First get enought IP from 2 Peer to justify at least a /21;
> >
> >Now that you have 2 Peer, request the AS and a Subnet from ARIN;
> >
> >Take a day or 2 to prepare the paperwork;
> >
> >Submit it in the right sequence to ARIN;
> >
> >And LISTEN to your ARIN rep, they know how the procedure 
> must be done 
> >and will help your get it done correctly.
> >
> >Simple really.
> It is indeed simple if you know what needs to be done and 
> what is expected.  Even in your case above you mislead people 
> into thinking that one can "request the AS and a Subnet from 
> ARIN".  After setting up the various POCs (step #1), step #2 
> is getting an ORG.  Step #3 is requesting the IP space and 
> *not* the ASN.  One can't get an ASN from ARIN *until* you 
> have IP space.  Once you are authorized by ARIN for the IP 
> space, one has to pay ARIN (step #4).  One can pay online via 
> credit card, which for large organizations can sometimes be a 
> problem.  In addition, ARIN doesn't accept American Express.  
> Therefore, step #4 might very well involve cutting a check 
> and Fedex'ing it to ARIN and waiting till they process it.  
> Step #5, which can be done in parallel to step #4 is getting 
> the ARIN Registration Service Agreement signed by your legal 
> department.  Once again, depending on the size of your 
> organization, this might take anywhere from 1-3 weeks.  Step 
> #6 is the ASN request.  In order to do that one needs to 
> submit a signed copy of the two contracts one has with their 
> upstreams (to justify the ASN).  Once again, these contracts 
> might be buried in legal, need to be found and scanned and 
> sent to ARIN before the ASN request can be processed.  Step 
> #7 is paying for the ASN either online or by check (see step 
> #4 above).
> Those that stated the process to get IP and ASN from ARIN 
> would be a week or so, might be referring to very small 
> organizations (even there I am a bit skeptical).  My 
> experience was that IP assignment took about a month and ASN 
> took about a month.
> Regards,
> Hank Nussbacher

Which just goes to show you that everyone's experience is different.
I've gotten various IP space as well as ASN's over the past couple of
years and none has taken any more than a week.

Also, you're incorrect on the process.  You can definitely get an ASN
without IP space.  


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