Network Connectivity... Dealing with Providers

Ray Burkholder ray at
Wed Nov 15 21:05:18 UTC 2006

If you have Cisco routers on either end, use the built in SLA capability.
It will give you ongoing abilty to trace latency, loss, jitter.  It won't
tell you bandwidth, but will give you a set of metrics for traffic quality.
Do a full mesh between all your edge devices and it might help track where
in the middle your issues reside.  The SLA tools are pretty standard to
Cisco devices and so should give you an edge in getting people to listen to

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at [mailto:owner-nanog at] On 
> Behalf Of J. Oquendo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 16:20
> To: Kuechel, Mark
> Cc: nanog at
> Subject: Re: Network Connectivity... Dealing with Providers
> Kuechel, Mark wrote:
> > Sounds like you are trouble shooting a VoIP issue several networks 
> > removed from the actual user. First step is to get into 
> their network 
> > via telnet and start from there. Is this a jitter issue on 
> some or all 
> > calls? Has the customer done a traffic study on their own 
> LAN to see 
> > if there is not some sort of congestion there? Pings from 
> afar are not 
> > used to trouble shoot issues in depth: Lots of posting on this. Has 
> > the clients Bandwidth utilization been looked at to their provider? 
> > Give us more.
> >
> Pings and traceroutes weren't the only tests I've done. Here 
> is my capacity when dealing with this client:
> When something happens and I need to do some VoIP related 
> stuff (extension changes, etc), I mainly log in via SSH from 
> one of four points, a DSL connection CTTEL, Level3, GBLX, and 
> Verio. When my lab's CTTel DSL connection fails I jump on a 
> DS3 (GBLX), when that fails, I jump on to a machine in Texas 
> and most of the times one of them is going to let me in. Now, 
> I have had failures from two points to all points at sporadic 
> times. So I do the obvious traceroutes, pings, etc.. Now a 
> provider can be quick to tell me "check your line" but come 
> on now... 4 different lines are failing to connect here. 
> (This doesn't include the fact that if I can't get in... What 
> makes you think voice data is getting in?)
> So, for my testing, I'm doing a functional (its fugly) test 
> from all four locations to my client, and from my client to 
> all four. My data is going to be a collection of ping tests, 
> traceroute test (tcptraceroute), bing test, etc.... I was 
> hoping to get feedback on other tools... I have Radarping as 
> well but don't feel like using it. I want to be able to leave 
> something running 24x7 until Friday. I'd like for it to be 
> opensource so the provider doesn't cry "your network voodoo 
> tools don't count!". I want to be able to go back and say 
> "Listen these tools are industry standard tools from CAIDA 
> (or elsewhere), and they're used by engineers all across the 
> board. I've done a fair test and its obviously coming from 
> your network.."
> So to answer your bandwidth question, bandwidth (according to 
> the provider) is under 50% capacity with "sporadic spikes" as 
> their engineers have seen while on the phone with them. 
> Sporadic means nothing to me. I have a 63% packet loss which 
> means even if I was equipped with an OC768, the bandwidth 
> means nothing if the packets aren't going through. "Here's 
> your Lamborghini Murcielago Sir. It does 200mph. Although 
> from time to time you'll only do 126mph..." Traffic 
> internally, I've put on QoS maps, but with or without them 
> same errors occur. It's not an issue of echoes, its more of 
> calls to specific DID's dropping, not going through, caller 
> can hear - receiver can't. All the while some lines work, 
> others don't. Couple this with my Nagios test going bonkers - 
> I configured Nagios to monitor from my client to Google, 
> Yahoo, MSN and I can see loss from here to the outside world 
> so it's twofold. Short of my client running me over with his 
> FX45, I'm even running out of patience with my client's provider.
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