Abovenet vs UUnet
peterattelia at gmail.com
Tue Mar 28 14:14:04 UTC 2006
On 3/28/06, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Peter Cohen wrote:
> > On 3/27/06, andrew matthews <exstatica at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So here is the deal, I've delt with both uunet and abovenet (mfn now)
> >> in the past. And a long time ago i switched from abovenet to uunet
> >> when i was with a different company.
> >> Now i'm with a company that has level 3 and Abovenet. Currently the
> >> way the pricing is layed out is by staying with abovenet i'll save
> >> about $1300 over UUnet. Money isn't too much of a concern currently
> >> abovenet is much higher but we are at the time were we need to renew
> >> our contract and we got it with a lower price.
> >> So which way? Abovenet or UUnet.. what are the pros and cons that
> >> you've experienced and what kind of latency do you have over the
> >> providers.
> > Why don't you put together an RFP that addresses your most important
> > requirements and send it out to several networks in order to get a
> > basis from which to compare them, not just on price? I mentioned a
> > few weeks ago that an RFP would be a good basis from which to compare
> > different networks objectively, instead of what opinions people might
> > have with any given provider. Also, where you are could eliminate or
> > "no bid" some responses due to their congestion, lack of network
> > there, etc... I hope that helps! There has to be some generic
> > rfp's floating around the net that you can copy from (or not). Good
> > luck.
> Why would someone believe what the networks tell them over what other
> _users'_ experiences are? You say it is a good basis for comparison,
> but I have trouble believing that - unless you mean: "A good basis to
> see which network's marketing department is better."
> If I were doing things like leased lines or dark fiber - something
> more objective and not quite such a moving target - an RFP might make
> sense. For things like transit, you need real people who know how
> networks really react to real problems, how networks really pass real
> packets, how clueful real network NOC techs are, etc., etc. None of
> these are covered in RFPs (despite what the networks might tell you).
> So thanx for the suggestion, but I think I'll stick with _customer_
> feedback rather than what the networks want to tell me themselves.
> Also, many networks will not respond to an RFP for the levels of
> traffic people here are considering.
> P.S. This is not a slam on Peter just 'cause Telia is proud of their
> RFP response department. If you have to go the RFP route, it's nice
> to know that there's a network out there who is good at responding to
RFP's are a good balance to individual experiences, plus you get
something on paper from which to compare network A with network B, and
how completely/accurately, willingly they answer questions. Use them
both together to get a better methodology for selecting a network.
Every network looking for fiber/colo/transit/etc... is going to be
different, and have a different opinion on what part of their needs is
most important. Put it down on paper, send it out for some responses
and hopefully... suppliers will be honest. Good luck.
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