Time for IPv10? (was Re: Time for IPv8?)

bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Mon Mar 6 03:54:03 UTC 2006


 oh yeah... IPX - that works a treat.  (who was it that said "Its Deja Vu 
 all over again")

--bill

> [ It's been pointed out that, due to various historical reasons, IPv8  
> might not be the best choice of version-number to use in this  
> context.  So, IPv10 can serve for purposes of discussion, in its  
> stead. ]
> 
> On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >
> >>Far from it, but, there are lessons to be
> >>learned that are applicable to the internet, and, separating the
> >>end system identifier from the routing function is one we still seem
> >>determined to avoid for reasons passing my understanding.
> >
> >And this is the real answer, of course.
> >
> >There were two fundamental design decisions made back in the Olden  
> >Days which continue to exert a strong and in many cases quite  
> >negative sway over this entire set of inter-related issues:
> >
> >1.	Utilizing the endpoint identifier in the routing function, as
> >	Vince Fuller and you (among others) have stated, and
> >
> >2.	The ships-in-the-night nature of the TCP/IP protocol stack.
> >	This latter design decision is a big part of the reason TCP/IP
> >	has been so successful to date; however, we find more and
> >	more kludgey, brittle hacks to try and provide some sort
> >	of linkages for purposes of enforcing policy, etc.  The
> >	irony is that these attempts largely stem from the unforeseen
> >	side-effects of #1, and also contribute to a reinforcing
> >	feedback loop which further locks us into #1.
> >
> >Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of  
> >these two design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold  
> >amounts of capex and opex being spent in frustratingly  
> >nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to consider declaring the  
> >'Limited-Deployment IPv6 Proof-of-Concept Experiment' to be a  
> >success, take the lessons learned (there are a lot more unresolved  
> >and potentially problematic issues than those mentioned in this  
> >thread) into account and get started on IPv8.
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Roland Dobbins <rdobbins at cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
> >
> >     Everything has been said.  But nobody listens.
> >
> >                   -- Roger Shattuck
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Roland Dobbins <rdobbins at cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice
> 
>      Everything has been said.  But nobody listens.
> 
>                    -- Roger Shattuck



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