Hot weather and power outages continue

Tue Jul 25 03:12:56 UTC 2006

In the state of Iowa the PUC is called the Iowa Utility Board (IUB).
According to the IUB, each CO must provide 2 hours of battery reserve (not
4, as I said), and if the C.O. serves over 4000 lines, a generator is
required.
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Rules/2003/iac/199iac/19922/19922pp1.pdf
Page 26, 22.6(5)

Frank

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From: Daniel Senie [mailto:dts at senie.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:12 PM
To: frnkblk at iname.com
Cc: nanog at merit.edu
Subject: RE: Hot weather and power outages continue

At 09:59 PM 7/24/2006, Frank Bulk wrote:

Depending on the state you live in, the PUC generally requires 4 to 8 hours
of dialtone if it's generated from the C.O.  Dialtone generated from SLC may
not be explicitly covered under the rules.

So when they moved about 1/2 of the town from CO to SLC, they got out of the
obligation to provide dial tone in power outage? That seems, ummm,
interesting. Will be interesting to see what the police chief learns (I'm on
a town board that works closely with the police, so he and I get to talk
often and get along well). He was quite concerned to learn about the
telephone outages that happen.

Thanks for the info. I will follow up with the PUC folks as well and see
what they have to say. The Verizon service folks did tell me they expected
dialtone to work during power failures, and kept claiming it must be my
telephones that are at fault (plugging a very basic, known-functional POTS
phone into the network interface says they're wrong).

Regards,

Frank

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From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [  <mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu>
mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Senie
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:47 PM
To: Brandon Galbraith
Cc: nanog at merit.edu
Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue

At 06:26 PM 7/24/2006, Brandon Galbraith wrote:

While hardwired (fiber/coax/copper) aggregation points usually don't have
backup power on them, most cellular towers have either batteries or
generators for backup power, correct?

We see good cable modem connectivity during power outages. Batteries must
still be good in the HFC nodes in our area. Verizon POTS service, on the
other hand, dies when the power does. The batteries in their SLC units are
toast. I've got the local police chief off conversing with the Verizon E911
folks to find out why it's OK to have no 911 service to a large part of town
when there's no power (Verizon repair kept trying to tell me it must be my
equipment, despite testing at the network interface).

I am looking at moving telephone services off to Comcast or VOIP because
they're more reliable than Verizon is, in my particular neighborhood.

-brandon

On 7/24/06, William S. Duncanson <caesar at starkreality.com > wrote: 

Indeed, my RoadRunner connection is the same way.  All of my stuff stays up,

but "teh Interweb is broken." I'm guessing that they (DSL/CableCo's) find it

too cost-prohibitive to roll out UPSes to the customer aggregation points. 

Suprisingly, my cable TV goes out as well when the power goes, so it might 

just be more than the CMTS that's going out.

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From: owner-nanog at merit.edu  <mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu> [
mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of 

Michael Loftis 

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 16:20 

To: nanog at merit.edu 

Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue 

--On July 24, 2006 2:22:26 AM -0400 Sean Donelan <sean at donelan.com> wrote:

> While its expected for individual customers to go down during power 

> outages, usually because the customer does not have local backup 

> power, it is less common for major web sites and co-location centers 

> to experience downtime during power outages.

Except if you're in Qwest territory.  Apparently they don't put any battery 

backup at their mini-DSLAMs and such.  Every time we lose power, I'm still 

up, but the DSL signal goes away.  Haven't checked dialtone, but I keep 

meaning too during the next outage.

Now I know it's not exactly fair singling out Qwest, because I'll bet 

Verizon and others share the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it's just their

ADSL service and not the  voice service (I haven't checked though) it's 

still becoming more and more common that as an individual user your 

connection to the internet, unless you're paying for something other than 

ADSL or Cable, will be just as affected by local power outages.

-- 
Brandon Galbraith
Email: brandon.galbraith at gmail.com
AIM: brandong00
Voice: 630.400.6992
"A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Yarrrr.
--thelost" 

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