Hot weather and power outages continue

Frank Bulk frnkblk at
Tue Jul 25 01:59:15 UTC 2006

Depending on the state you live in, the PUC generally requires 4 to 8 hours
of dialtone if it's generated from the C.O.  Dialtone generated from SLC may
not be explicitly covered under the rules.


From: owner-nanog at [mailto:owner-nanog at] On Behalf Of
Daniel Senie
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:47 PM
To: Brandon Galbraith
Cc: nanog at
Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue

At 06:26 PM 7/24/2006, Brandon Galbraith wrote:

While hardwired (fiber/coax/copper) aggregation points usually don't have
backup power on them, most cellular towers have either batteries or
generators for backup power, correct?

We see good cable modem connectivity during power outages. Batteries must
still be good in the HFC nodes in our area. Verizon POTS service, on the
other hand, dies when the power does. The batteries in their SLC units are
toast. I've got the local police chief off conversing with the Verizon E911
folks to find out why it's OK to have no 911 service to a large part of town
when there's no power (Verizon repair kept trying to tell me it must be my
equipment, despite testing at the network interface).

I am looking at moving telephone services off to Comcast or VOIP because
they're more reliable than Verizon is, in my particular neighborhood.


On 7/24/06, William S. Duncanson <caesar at > wrote:

Indeed, my RoadRunner connection is the same way.  All of my stuff stays up,

but "teh Interweb is broken." I'm guessing that they (DSL/CableCo's) find it

too cost-prohibitive to roll out UPSes to the customer aggregation points. 

Suprisingly, my cable TV goes out as well when the power goes, so it might

just be more than the CMTS that's going out.

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-nanog at  <mailto:owner-nanog at> [
<mailto:owner-nanog at> mailto:owner-nanog at] On Behalf Of

Michael Loftis

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 16:20

To: nanog at

Subject: Re: Hot weather and power outages continue 

--On July 24, 2006 2:22:26 AM -0400 Sean Donelan <sean at> wrote:

> While its expected for individual customers to go down during power

> outages, usually because the customer does not have local backup

> power, it is less common for major web sites and co-location centers

> to experience downtime during power outages.

Except if you're in Qwest territory.  Apparently they don't put any battery 

backup at their mini-DSLAMs and such.  Every time we lose power, I'm still

up, but the DSL signal goes away.  Haven't checked dialtone, but I keep

meaning too during the next outage.

Now I know it's not exactly fair singling out Qwest, because I'll bet 

Verizon and others share the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it's just their

ADSL service and not the  voice service (I haven't checked though) it's

still becoming more and more common that as an individual user your 

connection to the internet, unless you're paying for something other than

ADSL or Cable, will be just as affected by local power outages.

Brandon Galbraith
Email: brandon.galbraith at
AIM: brandong00
Voice: 630.400.6992
"A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Yarrrr.

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