shim6 rides again (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

Per Heldal heldal at
Wed Feb 15 20:14:03 UTC 2006

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:56:51 +0000 (GMT), "Edward B. DREGER"
<eddy+public+spam at> said:
> Per, I'd like to take exception with your "exclude small companies" 
> remark.  This thread is about tighter engineering and ops involvement, 
> so why shoot down those who have the two tightly coupled?  Why eschew 
> people who work both sides of the fence?

Sorry, the following sentence came out all wrong due to last minute
  Most nanog'ers, with the exception of those 
  representing small companies which don't 
  separate engineering from operations, belong 
  in the engineering category anyway.

...quite the opposite of what I ment to say. Most nanog'ers work in
engineering. The problem is a lack of ops-people turning these
xOG-groups ito xEG-groups instead.

PS! I prefer tight integration of operations and engineering. I'd say
it's good for engineering-staff to do ops-work from time to time (eat
their own dog food;). Organisations that practise job-rotation generally
have the better solutions. 

  Per Heldal

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