SORBS Contact

Wed Aug 9 20:16:01 UTC 2006

Actually I think this thread progressed from someone getting dirty 
blocks, to complaining about liberal-listing-RBLs (yes SORBS is one), to 
RBLs defending themselves and their obviously broken practices. We 
should not have to jump through hoops to satisfy your requirements.

Best Regards,
-Michael

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Andrew D Kirch wrote:
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> Albert Meyer wrote:
>>
>> I think we can sufficiently indict SORBS by saying that they are a 
>> poorly managed email blacklist which isn't used by anyone with a clue, 
>> without putting on our tinfoil hats. http://www.iadl.org makes some 
>> interesting claims, but anyone who puts Paul Vixie in the same list of 
>> offenders with Alan Brown and Matt Sullivan is clueless at best. 
>> SORBS, SPEWS, etc. are a problem, but they aren't a criminal 
>> conspiracy, and claiming that they are isn't going to win any points 
>> among people who haven't followed the instructions at 
>> http://zapatopi.net/afdb/build.html
> Please parse usage of "you and your" as being generic and not directed 
> at Albert Meyer except insomuch that I am replying to his message, thanks.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but this thread started because someone acquired 
> from ARIN IP Space which was previously infested with spammers.  The 
> person acquiring the IP space sent multiple tickets (which annoys the 
> crap out of every support list I've ever contacted) within the period of 
> "less than a week".  CAN-SPAM which is a poorly conceived and almost 
> totally unenforced law allows spammers one week to remove users from 
> their lists, and this person seems to expect instant turnaround from a 
> volunteer organization.  It's unfortunate that he got tainted space from 
> a RIR, and further unfortunate that it takes time to process removals, 
> and further unfortunate that he is not capable of reading and following 
> the directions on Matthew's website which clearly describe how to 
> achieve removal from SORBS.  Calling unpaid volunteers "clueless" 
> because they don't process removals instantly is in and of itself 
> clueless, especially considering that 1. dozens of people are removed 
> from SORBS daily and 2. this person has failed to follow the stated 
> policies and procedures to be removed from SORBS. SORBS, SPEWS, The AHBL 
> all operate on their own set of rules, it's up to the administrators of 
> the mail servers that use our lists whether or not they agree with our 
> policies.  Remember, and this is very important:  When blacklisting 
> there is no such thing as a "false positive".  You are either blocked or 
> you aren't at the determination of the administrator using our list.  
> Blacklisting is not, nor has it ever been based on whether your message 
> is spam or not.  If it helps you, think of it more as wanted and 
> unwanted e-mail.  By using SORBS the administrator is stating "I do not 
> want e-mail from people Matthew believes are spammers", and only a 
> clueless person would think to enforce their will on someone else's mail 
> server.
> And yes if you request removal from the AHBL and can't follow the simple 
> removal instructions, you are in my mind and in my list too clueless to 
> contribute e-mail to the public Internet, I therefore don't miss your 
> traffic and have never had one of my users complain that they miss it 
> either.
> 
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