> > there is no hope in having operators explain to ietf that the current path > > is fruitless? certainly they can be made to see the light, yes? > > you have not spent much time with the ivtf, have you? In case you have never heard of the IVTF, Randy eloquently summarizes it here: https://rip.psg.com/~randy/050721.ccr-ivtf.html --Michael Dillon