what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?

Thu May 12 21:37:02 UTC 2005

Wow, I hope not Matt.  That is a VERY Bleak outlook. 

Mark D. Bodley
President
Cyrix Systems
m at cyrixsys.com
www.cyrixsys.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of Matt
Bazan
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:02 PM
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few
years?

bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land.  there will be single turnkey solutions for
the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely configurable to
meet the latest trends and needs.  there will be no use for the small time
'innovator' or 'player' except in a purely academic environment.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Mark D. Bodley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in 
> a few years?
> 
> 
> 
> Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a determined 
> outcome. In my opinion resellers are in the long run going to lose 
> because of lack of tangible assets (there is my Bias, on the table. I 
> have my own facilities, and equipment). However because pure resellers 
> lack the facilities they can be resellers(and often are) of whatever 
> the technology of the day is. Strangely, many resellers, grow into 
> facilities based carriers, but if they do not, then they can always 
> move to the next thing. If you sold ISDN, in the 90's, and you knew 
> how to walk someone through configuring their pipeline, you were 
> better than Bell (read PSI Net). If you could accurately test, and 
> deliver DSL, to a client 3-5 years ago, (read COVAD) you were better 
> than Bell. In the future, who knows what it will be, (my bet is 
> wireless, and we all cook like chickens in a Showtime rotisserie) the 
> prevailing trait of those that have been in this for a long time is 
> adaptation. There was a day when selling access off an ISDN connection 
> was doable. I got out of the straight access market in the late 90's. 
> I provide, and resell connectivity, with static routes to applications 
> I host, or maintain. Hopefully the straight resellers of today will be 
> selling microwave, or implant connectivity, or whatever in a few 
> years. Bottom-line public or not, Mom, and Pop, or not no matter what 
> you do in this business you have to be ready to adapt. If you are huge 
> and don't catch the next wave you could be just as dead as the smaller 
> guys that don't catch that next
> wave.   
> 
> 
> Mark D. Bodley
> President
> Cyrix Systems
> m at cyrixsys.com
> www.cyrixsys.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Stephen J. Wilcox
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:12 PM
> To: Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in 
> a few years?
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
> 
> > why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private 
> > reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for
> $25?  think
> > you dsl resellers out there are doomed.  in fact, just a matter of 
> > time before most of you isps are down the toilet.  im
> reminded of the
> > mom and pop grocery store phenomenon that has now been
> replaced by the
> > kohls, a&p, whole foods etc.  of course there will always be niche 
> > markets but this is less applicable for a pure commodity like 
> > bandwidth.  yeah, i suppose you'll say something about value added 
> > services and such and you may have a point but i doubt that
> will keep the
> ship afloat for long.
> 
> Matt,
>  first whats your affiliation and experience in this arena? That these 
> markets exist and more profitably so than the large carriers suggest 
> the problems you are raising dont exist.
> 
> What is your theory based on, you only cite your personal preference 
> to buy from Comcast which cannot be said to be indicative of the 
> market. Grocery stores are not comparable, this is a different 
> industry and different market. Also bandwidth is not a pure commodity, 
> and DSL is not pure bandwidth.
> 
> I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst non-existent.. 
> you need to provide some references, examples, figures, whatever.. 
> else this is little more than trolling.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 