what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?

Brian Russo brian at entropy.net
Thu May 12 09:35:42 UTC 2005


"For every day a company does the same thing they did yesterday, they 
will be in business one day fewer"

... or something like that,
  - bri

Matt Bazan wrote:

>bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
>cosolodation will rule the land.  there will be single turnkey solutions
>for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
>configurable to meet the latest trends and needs.  there will be no use
>for the small time 'innovator' or 'player' except in a purely academic
>environment.
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On 
>>Behalf Of Mark D. Bodley
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:44 PM
>>To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; Matt Bazan
>>Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>>Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be 
>>doing in a few years?
>>
>>
>>
>>Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a 
>>determined outcome. In my opinion resellers are in the long 
>>run going to lose because of lack of tangible assets (there 
>>is my Bias, on the table. I have my own facilities, and 
>>equipment). However because pure resellers lack the 
>>facilities they can be resellers(and often are) of whatever 
>>the technology of the day is. Strangely, many resellers, grow 
>>into facilities based carriers, but if they do not, then they 
>>can always move to the next thing. If you sold ISDN, in the 
>>90's, and you knew how to walk someone through configuring 
>>their pipeline, you were better than Bell (read PSI Net). If 
>>you could accurately test, and deliver DSL, to a client 3-5 
>>years ago, (read COVAD) you were better than Bell. In the 
>>future, who knows what it will be, (my bet is wireless, and 
>>we all cook like chickens in a Showtime rotisserie) the 
>>prevailing trait of those that have been in this for a long 
>>time is adaptation. There was a day when selling access off 
>>an ISDN connection was doable. I got out of the straight 
>>access market in the late 90's. I provide, and resell 
>>connectivity, with static routes to applications I host, or 
>>maintain. Hopefully the straight resellers of today will be 
>>selling microwave, or implant connectivity, or whatever in a 
>>few years. Bottom-line public or not, Mom, and Pop, or not no 
>>matter what you do in this business you have to be ready to 
>>adapt. If you are huge and don't catch the next wave you 
>>could be just as dead as the smaller guys that don't catch that next
>>wave.   
>>
>>
>>Mark D. Bodley
>>President
>>Cyrix Systems
>>m at cyrixsys.com
>>www.cyrixsys.com
>> 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On 
>>Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:12 PM
>>To: Matt Bazan
>>Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>>Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be 
>>doing in a few years?
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
>>
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>>
>>>why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
>>>reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for 
>>>      
>>>
>>$25?  think 
>>    
>>
>>>you dsl resellers out there are doomed.  in fact, just a matter of 
>>>time before most of you isps are down the toilet.  im 
>>>      
>>>
>>reminded of the 
>>    
>>
>>>mom and pop grocery store phenomenon that has now been 
>>>      
>>>
>>replaced by the 
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>>>kohls, a&p, whole foods etc.  of course there will always be niche 
>>>markets but this is less applicable for a pure commodity like 
>>>bandwidth.  yeah, i suppose you'll say something about value added 
>>>services and such and you may have a point but i doubt that 
>>>      
>>>
>>will keep the
>>ship afloat for long.
>>
>>Matt,
>> first whats your affiliation and experience in this arena? That these
>>markets exist and more profitably so than the large carriers 
>>suggest the
>>problems you are raising dont exist.
>>
>>What is your theory based on, you only cite your personal 
>>preference to buy
>>from Comcast which cannot be said to be indicative of the 
>>market. Grocery
>>stores are not comparable, this is a different industry and different
>>market. Also bandwidth is not a pure commodity, and DSL is not pure
>>bandwidth.
>>
>>I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst 
>>non-existent.. you
>>need to provide some references, examples, figures, 
>>whatever.. else this is
>>little more than trolling.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
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>>
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>>

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