what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
Matt Bazan
Mbazan at onelegal.com
Wed May 11 22:02:29 UTC 2005
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest trends and needs. there will be no use
for the small time 'innovator' or 'player' except in a purely academic
environment.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Mark D. Bodley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: 'Stephen J. Wilcox'; Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: RE: what will all you who work for private isp's be
> doing in a few years?
>
>
>
> Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a
> determined outcome. In my opinion resellers are in the long
> run going to lose because of lack of tangible assets (there
> is my Bias, on the table. I have my own facilities, and
> equipment). However because pure resellers lack the
> facilities they can be resellers(and often are) of whatever
> the technology of the day is. Strangely, many resellers, grow
> into facilities based carriers, but if they do not, then they
> can always move to the next thing. If you sold ISDN, in the
> 90's, and you knew how to walk someone through configuring
> their pipeline, you were better than Bell (read PSI Net). If
> you could accurately test, and deliver DSL, to a client 3-5
> years ago, (read COVAD) you were better than Bell. In the
> future, who knows what it will be, (my bet is wireless, and
> we all cook like chickens in a Showtime rotisserie) the
> prevailing trait of those that have been in this for a long
> time is adaptation. There was a day when selling access off
> an ISDN connection was doable. I got out of the straight
> access market in the late 90's. I provide, and resell
> connectivity, with static routes to applications I host, or
> maintain. Hopefully the straight resellers of today will be
> selling microwave, or implant connectivity, or whatever in a
> few years. Bottom-line public or not, Mom, and Pop, or not no
> matter what you do in this business you have to be ready to
> adapt. If you are huge and don't catch the next wave you
> could be just as dead as the smaller guys that don't catch that next
> wave.
>
>
> Mark D. Bodley
> President
> Cyrix Systems
> m at cyrixsys.com
> www.cyrixsys.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Stephen J. Wilcox
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:12 PM
> To: Matt Bazan
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be
> doing in a few years?
>
>
> On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
>
> > why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
> > reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for
> $25? think
> > you dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of
> > time before most of you isps are down the toilet. im
> reminded of the
> > mom and pop grocery store phenomenon that has now been
> replaced by the
> > kohls, a&p, whole foods etc. of course there will always be niche
> > markets but this is less applicable for a pure commodity like
> > bandwidth. yeah, i suppose you'll say something about value added
> > services and such and you may have a point but i doubt that
> will keep the
> ship afloat for long.
>
> Matt,
> first whats your affiliation and experience in this arena? That these
> markets exist and more profitably so than the large carriers
> suggest the
> problems you are raising dont exist.
>
> What is your theory based on, you only cite your personal
> preference to buy
> from Comcast which cannot be said to be indicative of the
> market. Grocery
> stores are not comparable, this is a different industry and different
> market. Also bandwidth is not a pure commodity, and DSL is not pure
> bandwidth.
>
> I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst
> non-existent.. you
> need to provide some references, examples, figures,
> whatever.. else this is
> little more than trolling.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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