a call for peace (Re: DNS Anycast)

Tue May 3 18:19:29 UTC 2005

Vixie makes almost nothing but a personal attack. The one relevant
mis-statement is that Vixie seems to suggest that I'm the only one to have
"been around the loop" on PPLB. There were numerous others who agreed with
me on DNSOP. In fact, there wasn't anyone not part of ISC who agreed with
Vixie.  

It is always the same folks who make the personal attacks. Its almost
always a proxy for Vixie.

On the discussion on DNSOP about DNS Anycast, there were an interesting
personal attacks from John Brown, contrary to Vixie's description of
events: (same sort of thing happened with Dan Bernstein in 2002)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:01:31 -0600
From: John Brown CT <john at chagres.net>
To: Dean Anderson <dean at av8.com>
Cc: Joe Shen <jshen at christmas.9966.org>, ietf at ietf.org, 
dnsop at lists.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: [dnsop] Re: Root Anycast (fwd)

[...]

I realize that many on this list don't reply to the troll food that Dean 
leaves around, but I felt it important to reply as someone thats NOT in
any shape fashion or form, ISC or its staff.   I am somone that has done 
the engineering work to make a different letter work better via Anycast.
Which letter, well that doesn't matter.

[...]
---------------------------------------

It turned out the John Brown founded Chagres.net with Suzzanne Woolf, who
was the ISC program manager promoting DNS anycast. So much for his being
"someone thats NOT in any shape fashion or form, ISC or its staff."

And how familiar is this message:

http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg31537.html

BTW, John Brown also made a frivolous DMCA complaint about this message.  
Apparently, he was under the wrong impression that copyright and
non-disclosure are the same.  Anyway, he really misunderstood fair-use,
and the part of the DMCA that imposes penalties on those who make
frivolous and false claims.

		--Dean

On 2 May 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:

> 
> in this interminable thread from hell, someone finally said the magic words:
> 
> > Thankfully, there's always procmail.
> 
> and helpfully gave a specific recipe:
> 
> > :0
> > * ^From:.*<dean at av8\.com
> > /dev/null
> 
> now, speaking as someone who went around the loop a few times with dv8 on the
> topic of PPLB, i can assure all of you that his mind (or whatever) is pretty
> much made up.  all arguing's going to do at this point is (a) fulfill his
> fantasies of adequacy/relevance by making him seem worthy of refutation, (b)
> cause lurkers and onlookers to scratch their heads and wonder if "there's
> gotta be something to this, or why would the volume be so sustainably high
> on the thread?", and (c) annoy the hell out of everybody else on the list.
> 
> it does no good for me to filter out the crackpots if the rest of you are just
> going to keep on replying to same.  so, as RAH had LL say: "never try to teach
> a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."  here's what my thread
> reader says this thread looks like.  as you can see, most of the traffic is
> in response to a single crackpot.
> 
>    [  30: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.] Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?
> Y -    [  75: Dean Anderson       ] Re: SMTP AUTH
>        <  25: "Patrick W. Gilmore"> Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring DNS TTL?
>        <  26: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.> 
>        <  14: Matthew Sullivan    > 
>        <  84: "Edward B. Dreger"  > 
> Y -        [  19: Dean Anderson       ] 
>                [  22: "Steven J. Sobol"   ] 
> Y -                [  32: Dean Anderson       ] 
> Y -        [ 116: Dean Anderson       ] 
>                [  27: "Edward B. Dreger"  ] 
> Y -                [  82: Dean Anderson       ] Re: SMTP AUTH
>                [   8: Joe Maimon          ] Re: Slashdot: Providers Ignoring...
> Y -                [  25: Dean Anderson       ] 
>                        [ 107: Will Yardley        ] Re: SMTP AUTH
>                            [  26: David Lesher        ] 
>    [  54: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.] Re: SMTP AUTH
>        <  24: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.> 
> Y -    <  28: Dean Anderson       > 
>            [  19: Richard A Steenberge] 
>                [  32: James               ] 
>            [  38: Joe Maimon          ] 
>        <   9: Randy Bush          > 
>        <  33: Matthew Sullivan    > 
>        <  23: Tim Wilde           > 
>            [  21: David Lesher        ] 
> 
> i'm not one of the annointed moderators, but i heard that we were supposed
> to practice "peer moderation" and so i'm asking you all to please show a
> little discipline before you hit the "FlameCrackpot" key.
> 

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