The Cidr Report

Sun Feb 13 07:36:16 UTC 2005

Until there's deep shame, or real financial incentive to not being 
listed as a member of the dirty 30, nothing is going to happen in 
terms of aggregation.

Unfortunately, an automated email going out to each of the dirty 30 
weekly from the Cidr Report saying that their network again made the 
list of top 30 most shameful examples of how to participate as an 
active member in the global routing table would probably have little 
effect.  If they cared, they'd already be doing something about it.

Nothing is going to happen unless enough people (ASNs) take a 
simultaneous, and  UNITED stand, and make it painful for those that 
don't care about the routes they leak to the net.

Here's an idea, it's probably not the best idea, and has a *lot* of 
potential problems, but it's just an idea:

Pick the top 1 or two worst offenders every week, and automatically 
dump them into a route distribution server would work in the same way 
as the Team Cymru bogon server list.  I bet THAT would get people to 
scramble aggregate!  Want to make a clear business case for spending 
time to clean up routes?  How about "global routability" ?  Every 
week, the top of the list would be singled out, and  they could be 
placed on the server, and anyone that wanted to null route them based 
on that information could do so.  A level of automation would be 
required to quickly remove them from the blacklist as soon as they 
aggregated, and quickly re-add them without warning if they decide to 
deaggregate within a certain time frame of being on the blacklist. 
If the addition/removal was automated, it would be clear cut as to 
why the "victim" was placed on the list.  No favoritism or politics 
would come in to play.

It would get results.  I'm not sure what those results would be, and 
the result might just be a bunch of really mad and aggravated people, 
and a slightly more broken internet, but there'd definitely be 
results.

Or something.    ;-)

(I bet it would be a lot like the early days of DNS-RBL for mail servers)

I'm sure someone on this list who is wiser than me, has a better 
idea.  I'd love to hear it discussed.

I'm going to repeat what I typed earlier:

Nothing is going to happen unless enough people (ASNs) take a 
simultaneous, and  UNITED stand, and make it painful for those that 
don't care about the routes they leak to the net.

-Jerry