Cisco moves even more to china.

Sun Sep 26 03:40:44 UTC 2004

I tried configuring my router this way but all I got were syntax  
errors...

Can we PLEASE move on?

Thanks,
Tony

On Sep 25, 2004, at 2:10 PM, Alexei Roudnev wrote:

>
> Hmm.
>
> It was not developing countries, who claimed _free trade_; it was  
> _developed
> counrties_. When free trade was coming, it caused a lot of local  
> problems -
> local car vendors was unhappy because of competition, local TV vendors
> closed their factories, etc.
>
> But it appeared to be two side weapon - and , developing countried get  
> their
> reward in shape of outsourcing after adapting to this free trade. It  
> is just
> payment for initial loses and disadvantages.
>
> So, it is smart - ok, wanna free trade, wanna to sell Boeings to  
> Russia and
> India - be ready to move workforce there, too. Do not want free trade  
> - be
> ready that Cisco, Boeing, Intel will not sell anything to this  
> countries
> (and use local workforce, and pay $300 for DVD player _made in USA_  
> instead
> of paying $50 for the same one _made in China_).
>
> Some fields still have not free trade (Music Industry, for example,  
> still
> have uncompetitive prices $20 for CD disk, but it is compensated by  
> pirates
> so that no one is paying this $20 except americans - people pays $3  
> for the
> same thing in India or China), but be sure, it is for limited time  
> only -
> after 5 years CD / 20 songs will cost $2, no matter what this fat label
> companies are saying and doing...
>
> Do not make unreasonable dreams - it is FREE TRADE vs CLOSED MARKET.  
> You can
> not have free trade for goods and closed market for workforce. And vice
> versa.
> And you can not make long life for uncompetitive society, which makes  
> life
> easy for individuals but pay huge price as a society (incompetitive
> workforce).
> No way.
>
> Other side is company structure. If companies have 80% _sales_ and 20%
> _Engineering_, they can not compete with new China companies with 80%
> Engineering and 20% sales. Just no way. It will got worst, not because  
> of
> outsourcing, but because of lost of drive, wasting expenses, huge  
> internal
> prices.
>
> Returning to Cisco . They was (WAS) a great company. They are (ARE)  
> still a
> good company. But overall tendency is so scared that I will not bet on  
> them
> too much - they lost internal drive, lost internal quality. They have a
> chance to became a bad company during next 5 years. China is just a  
> simple
> example of growing competition.
> (Btw, I like an idea - I teached Cisco networking in Russia, and it  
> was very
> useful for the students. )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Boyle" <robert at tellurian.com>
> To: "Curtis Maurand" <curtis at maurand.com>
> Cc: <nanog at merit.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
>
>
>>
>> At 02:23 PM 9/25/2004, you wrote:
>> engagement is fair trade.  Lessaiz Faire economics was tried about 100
>> years ago.  It resulted in the Great Depression and children dying of
>> tuberculosis in the factories.  Why does anyone think it'll work  
>> today?
>>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> I tried to stay out of this since it isn't really on topic at all, but
> your
>> statement above is so completely wrong that I can't let it pass  
>> without
>> correcting it.
>>
>> Actually, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff which was intended to be "fair  
>> trade" in
>> your parlance CAUSED the Great Depression, NOT free trade. Some  
>> economists
>> particularly those of the Keynesian school wrongly (imho) see the S-H
>> Tariff as a result of the Great Depression rather than a cause.  
>> However,
>> all parties agree that it did nothing but prolong the depression.  
>> Properly
>> analyzing the facts and knowing the time which is involved in passing
>> legislation and Hoover's promises to enact the tariff if he was  
>> elected
>> caused the capital markets to dry up when it became evident that he  
>> would
>> win and that the tariff would be enacted. The anticipation of the act  
>> was
>> enough to scare away the smart money from the market which caused the
> stock
>> market crash of '29. The depression lasted as a result of the tariff
>> essentially killing trade between the US and the rest of the world.  
>> Those
>> who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it!
>>
>> Here are a few references for you:
>>
>> http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/id/17606.htm
>>
>> http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/ 
>> smoot_hawley.html
>>
>> http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/H/HawleyS1m.asp
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>> btw- The good news is that Bush or Kerry will loose. The bad news is  
>> that
>> the other one of them will win. :(
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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