Cisco moves even more to china.

Dan Mahoney, System Admin danm at prime.gushi.org
Fri Sep 24 01:13:05 UTC 2004


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jason Graun wrote:

> I think the IT field as a whole, programmers, network guys, etc... are going
> to go the way of the auto workers in the 70's and 80's.  I am a CCIE working
> and on a second one and it saddens me that all my hard work and advanced
> knowledge could be replaced by a chop-shop guy because from a business
> standpoint quarter to quarter the chop-shop guy is cheaper on the books.
> Never mind the fact that I solve problems on the network in under 30mins and
> save the company from downtime but I am too expensive.  I used to love
> technology and all it had to offer but now I feel cheated, I feel like we
> all have been burned by the way the business guys look at the technology, as
> a commodity.  Thankfully I am still young (mid 20's) I can make a career
> switch but I'll still love the technology.  Anyway I am going to start the
> paper work to be an H1b to China and brush up on my Mandarin.

I've felt this way about things at times.  It's why I'm getting my CDL.  I 
highly doubt they can find a way to outsource *that* to some third-world 
country.

-Dan



>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of Erik
> Haagsman
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:55 PM
> To: Dan Mahoney, System Admin
> Cc: Nicole; nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
>
>
> On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 02:29, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
>> I've always personally taken anyone who said "but I'm an MCSE" with a
>> grain of salt.  I've had equal respect for the A-plus and Net-Plus
>> certifications, which are basically bought.
>
> I take most certifications with a grain of salt, including degrees,
> unless someone clearly demonstrates he know's what he's talking about,
> is able to make intelligent decisions and learns new techniques quickly.
> In which case a certification is still just an add-on ;-)
>
>> I used to have more trust in the /CC../ certifications but I find I may be
>
>> laughing those off too quite soon.
>
> The vendor's introductory certs (CCNA, CCNP, JNCIA, JNCIS) don't say
> anything about a candidate, except exactly that ("I got the cert"). CCIE
> and JNCIE are still at least an indicator someone was at a certain level
> at the time of getting the certification, but are still no substitute
> for experience and a brain in good working order. It's too bad there
> aren't better "general" (non-vendor specific) certs, since what often
> lacks is general understanding of network architecture and protocols.
> You can teach anyone the right commands for Vendor X and they'll prolly
> get a basic config going on a few nodes, but when troubleshooting time
> comes it's useless without good knowledge of the underlying technology,
> which none of the vendor certs teach very well (IMHO anyway ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erik
>
>
>
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> Erik Haagsman
> Network Architect
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>
>
>
>

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