Big List of network owners?

Thu Oct 28 22:33:10 UTC 2004

Again guys.. just in the thinking out loud stage..
But it does surprise me that this information is not freely available, and 
accessible to all without hindrance, registration or obligations of any 
kind.
There is the argument that this information could be used by the wrong 
people to do the wrong thing, but I am guessing many of those people already 
have this data. Arguably, the people most likely to be causing problems, are 
the very ones who seek anonymity through a process that is apparently not as 
defined and regulated as it needs to be in order to assure proper 
identification and subsequent accountability.
It is all about that accountability, action and response. If badhosting.com 
insists on harboring CWS, spam engines, and the like, wouldn't it be better 
if everyone knew, down to the last host, every address they own? If this 
information were freely available, posted in plain view, script friendly, 
and a dynamic resource, I suspect a lot of problems could, (at least in 
part), be made to disappear, or at the very least, automated tracking 
systems, and abuse reports could be made to be more reliable.
Every enterprise is absolutely dependent on its financial viability, if the 
owner of badhosting.com woke up on Monday morning to find half of north 
america was no longer visible to his clients, he would either a) grow a 
conscience, or, b) go out of business - either one would be just fine with 
me.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "william(at)elan.net" <william at elan.net>
To: "John Underhill" <stepnwlf at magma.ca>
Cc: <nanog at merit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Big List of network owners?

>
>
> Please describe exactly what you want to do with the data. If its specific
> action based on some network name or per their ASN, I can probably deliver
> it (assuming this function has community value for more then just your
> needs). But providing entire list - is too open for abuse and also may
> violate RIR policies for not redistributing bulk whois data in "bulk 
> form".
>
> If you want to do it yourself - feel free to contact every RIR (its only 4
> of them) and sign for bulk whois agreements (and RIPE and APNIC already
> provide their whois database free actually if you look around) and write
> scripts and program to put it all in the database format that you want.
>
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, John Underhill wrote:
>
>> I realize that there may be no way to contact many of these people, but, 
>> it
>> is a step towards identifying problem networks. If badhosting.com is
>> responsible for a given percentage of the garbage that comes through our
>> pipes, and I can leverage user input to identify this, then I can use 
>> this
>> to create more responsive filtering policies..
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gary E. Miller" <gem at rellim.com>
>> To: "John Underhill" <stepnwlf at magma.ca>
>> Cc: <nanog at merit.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Big List of network owners?
>>
>>
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>> > Yo John!
>> >
>> > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, John Underhill wrote:
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>> >> ... but I am looking for a
>> >> way to make it more reflexive, automated, and give the users a more
>> >> direct
>> >> course of action that releases our help desk from some of the burden..
>> >
>> > And that is exactly why it will not happen.  A lot of the registrars
>> > have gone over to the other side.  Ever try to get any domain contact
>> > info out of nameking?
>> >
>> > RGDS
>> > GARY
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>> > Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701
>> > gem at rellim.com  Tel:+1(541)382-8588 Fax: +1(541)382-8676
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