This may also be off-topic, but what's with the rumours I heard of Avi being kicked out of the conference? I'm certain there must be more to the story than that, but since Avi has been such a strong positive influence on the NANOG community for so long, I gotta ask.... -- J.D. Falk "be crazy dumbsaint of the mind" <jdfalk at cybernothing.org> -- Jack Kerouac