Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

Tue Mar 16 18:48:05 UTC 2004

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 jlewis at lewis.org wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
> 
> > Hmm, if someone (except masochists and security vendiors)  still hosts
> > efnet... I can only send them my condoleences.
> >
> > I saw sthe same dialogs 6 years ago. Nothing changes.
> 
> What about undernet?  A customer wants us to help him setup an undernet
> IRC server.  My gut feeling is, hosting IRC servers (especially on the
> well known networks) is like wearing a "kick me/flood me" sign on your
> network, and it's probably not going to be worth the pain & pages.

It probably depends how much money is involved and if they are willing to 
pay for all the network tech's time such server brings in. My own dealings
with people wanting to run IRC servers and services is that they may have 
some fixed amount of money for the server but whatever they are expecting 
to generate from such irc-related services does not happen and they ran 
out of money and most end-up having to be canceled for non-pay (usually 
after first 4 or 6 months) and you end-up having to decide if your company
want to sponsor this server for the long term...

Some other things that you end-up having to consider if the server is 
run by the customer what are their policies and how white/black/grey are 
their admins and people they allow to be operators. Operators way too 
often end-up being targets of attacks on the servers ...

As far as Undernet is probably not as bad as Efnet as attack target, but 
you'll still see some attacks for sure.

-- 
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
william at elan.net