ARIN Comment

Fri Jul 2 06:08:07 UTC 2004

If you think a little - having hundreds of web services, it is reasonable
_do not renumber_. Of course, it will require extra efforts when getting IP
block(s) or require do not change main provider(s).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras at e-gerbil.net>
To: "Patrick W Gilmore" <patrick at ianai.net>
Cc: <nanog at nanog.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: ARIN Comment

>
> On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 04:29:08PM -0400, Patrick W Gilmore wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:15 PM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >
> > >I was also concerned, until I read the actual pleadings.
> > >
> > >Although nobody's ever allowed us (AS19933) more than 1 month to
> > >renumber, and we've always had to pay both providers during the time,
> > >so we've always kept it as short as possible anyway....
> >
> > But now you can get PI space and take well over a year to renumber into
> > it without fear of ARIN asking for it back.
>
> I think it is important to note that different applications have different
> time requirements for renumbering. Cable modem customers on DHCP could
> renumbered as quickly as your lease time. Routers can be renumbered with a
> couple of conf t statements. Hosting you directly control can be
> renumbered with sed and/or some quick perl scripts.
>
> But have you ever tried renumbering thousands of web hosting IPs used by
> hundreds of clueless wannabe point and click sysadmins using cpanel? Just
> remmeber that almost every one of those hoster customers probably has
> customers of their own, with hundreds of domains and DNS managed by god
> only knows what interface, not to mention poorly written embedded perl and
> php scripts, and oh did I mention cpanel?
>
> It is a really poor assumption to think that just because it takes someone
> like this a year to renumber space, that they must be lazy or stupid or
> doing something horribly wrong themselves. I can't tell you for sure that
> it isn't that case here, but I CAN tell you for sure that I have seen
> similar lead times to renumber blocks from otherwise very hard working and
> intelligent folks in this business. We all complain when some piece of
> ARIN policy which doesn't fit our business model affects us negatively, I
> don't see why web hosting folks deserve any less consideration.
>
> -- 
> Richard A Steenbergen <ras at e-gerbil.net>       http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras
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