First Post! Annoying Debate at Work.

Sun Feb 29 14:23:09 UTC 2004

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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>NOTE: I have been a nanog observer for nearly a year. The
> following may be slightly off topic, but it seems as though nanog is my last
> hope.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>Recently at work, I’ve been battling fellow
> coworkers on a very simple debate. The fact that I will not “give
> in” on my argument really makes me look arrogant, but I absolutely refuse
> to let this one go without logical reason!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>The argument non-persuasively put is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>Is a USB Ethernet Adapter a “converter”?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>Personally, I say “no”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>My coworkers seem to say “yes”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>My argument:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>1)       Ethernet isnt
> “converted” to USB.  The adapted information from the ethernet
> segment may traverse the USB segment if the NIC adapts it to the CPU, but is
> never “converted” to USB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          You
> can use USB for many things, thus making it an underlying “serial
> bus” in which other technologies can traverse. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'>          <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          Whatis.com
> definition: USB (Universal Serial Bus) is a plug-and-play interface between a
> computer and add-on devices (such as audio players, joysticks, keyboards,
> telephones, scanners, and printers). With USB, a new device can be added to
> your     computer without having to add an adapter card or
> even having to turn the computer off. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          USB
> in this scenario would be synonymous with PCI, in regards to the type of
> technology that interfaces with the cpu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>2)       I cant seem to
> place “converter” above layer 1. Yet a Network adapter ( both PCI
> or USB ) have layer 2 mac addresses that are stored into the PROM from the
> manufactor. From my understanding, if an ethernet frame comes in via cat5, and
> is destined for the wrong MAC address, the traffic will not move up the OSI
> model and to the PC; It will be dropped right there and then. Only frames
> destined for the correct MAC or broadcast will traverse the USB portion. If this
> is true, then aparantly our “converter” is doing a lot more than
> “converting” ethernet to “USB”!   -
> Filtering, forwarding, encapsulating, de-encapsulating, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>3)       Just because a
> device has two physical mediums of connectivity, dosent make it a
> “converter”. My coworkers argue that a USB Ethernet adapter is an
> “Ethernet to USB Converter”. If this is true, then the following
> could be said:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          a.       A
> PCI Ethernet Adapter is a “converter” because it “converts”
> Ethernet to PCI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          b.       An
> Alcatel switch w/ a T1 and a DS3 controller card would be a
> “converter” because it “converts” cat5 from the T1 card
> to coax on the DS3 card.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>          c.       Lastly
> ( I love this one ), An integrated Ethernet adapter on a motherboard is a
> “converter” because it “converts” ethernet to uhh
> ??  processor? Riiiiight”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>My co-workers arguments are basically that because
> Ethernet is plugged into one side, and usb is plugged into the other,
> it’s a converter.<br>
> <br>
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>I strongly that’s an understament if not an
> incorrect statement. Whats your take and why?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><br>
> Input from ANY of you would be GREATLY appreciated. Otherwise, a simple “I
> aggree with you” will be fine also!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
>  style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Christopher Aldridge</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
> size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>Network Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Verdana'>CCNA/MCP/MCSA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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