"scanning" e-mail [WAS: 3 Free Gmail invites]
Robert Bonomi
bonomi at mail.r-bonomi.com
Thu Aug 19 18:24:20 UTC 2004
> From owner-nanog at merit.edu Thu Aug 19 12:58:57 2004
> Cc: Patrick W Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net>
> From: Patrick W Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net>
> Subject: "scanning" e-mail [WAS: 3 Free Gmail invites]
> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:55:46 -0400
> To: nanog at nanog.org
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Lou Katz wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:13:29PM -0700, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> >>
> >> Joshua Brady wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've got 2 Gmail invites up for grabs for the first 2 to email me
> >>> offlist.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You know, I'm having trouble finding people that *don't* have
> >> gmail.com
> >> accounts already. :P
> >
> > Because G-mail scans INCOMING mail without the sender's consent, we
> > will NEVER
> > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. We actively
> > discourage
> > our clients from using this service. If you want to let a service scan
> > YOUR mail,
> > it is your perogative, but you cannot give them permission to scan MY
> > mail to you.
>
> I believe your last statement is factually incorrect. I absolutely
> _can_ do anything I please with "your" e-mail you send to me. Not only
> that, I also believe I _may_ do it. You send me e-mail, the e-mail is
> now mine.
Well, legally, "yes, and no".
> I can post it publicly,
You _cannot_ legally do that. copyright infringement.
> put it into a search engine, or
> deleted it, and you have no say in the matter. Might not be polite,
> but it certainly it not illegal. Don't like it, don't send me e-mail.
> (Please. :)
You own the 'artifact' that is the message, the 'intellectual property
rights' (i.e. "copyright") remain with the author/sender.
Doing thing with the message that require consent of the copyright holder
are things you cannot do _without_ that consent. :)
'Private use' copying is _not_ one of those things, however.
> Google is simply indexing mail for their users as a service - an
> unobtrusive, completely benign service just like virus checking or
> procmail scripts which have been used for years. And it certainly does
> not require the consent of the sender. How I manage my mailbox is MY
> business. You have exactly zero say over whether I let Google do it or
> Mail.app.
THAT is entirely correct.
> Perhaps you are worried that Google will read your e-mail? Or maybe
> let others read it? Well, I hope you never send e-mail to anyone who
> does not run their own dedicated mail server on their own dedicated
> hardware and encrypt the SMTP session. 'Cause you are worried about
> something that has been happening for decades. (Plus I think you have
> to be more than a little arrogant to think anyone at Google gives a
> fart about the e-mail you send.)
>
> But hey, it's your e-mail, send it or not as you please. I like the
> idea behind G-mail, I just can't deal with a web-based e-mail client.
> You don't, then don't use it.
>
> Just please don't spout factual fallacies like saying I can't give
> someone permission to do things to my inbox.
>
> --
> TTFn,
> patrick
>
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