Lazy network operators - NOT

Sun Apr 18 10:11:13 UTC 2004

Paul Vixie wrote:

>So-called "broadband" user populations (cable, dsl, fixed wireless, mobile
>wireless) are full time connected, or nearly so.  They are technically
>unsophisticated, on average.  The platforms they run trade convenience for
>security, and must do so in order to remain competitive/relevant.  Margin
>pressure makes it impossible for most "broadband" service providers to even
>catalogue known-defect customer systems or process complaints about them.
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What is the estimated cost per subscriber of such an operation in your 
opinion and where should it be to make it feasible? Off-the-shelf 
automation can accomplish this for pennies per subscriber per month, 
keeping the catalogs up to date and informing users automatically.
After deployment there is a smallish support burst, but after the levels 
of infection plummet and stay at levels two orders of magnitude lower 
than prior situation, queues will shorten and customers will be 
significantly more happy.

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>MAPS or SORBS or somebody needs to set up a "BBL" (broad band list) which is
>just a list of "broadband" customer netblocks, with no moral/value judgement
>expressed or implied.  If it's complete and updated frequently, I'd pay for
>a feed because of all the work it would save me personally and in my dayjob.
>(Apropos of JCurran's comments above, it wouldn't matter if netblocks on this
>"BBL" disabled outbound TCP/25, or not, so, they probably just wouldn't, but,
>they probably aren't going to, no matter whether a "BBL" exists or not.)
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>The new motto here is: "Blackhole 'em all and let market forces sort 'em out."
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I think the late developments have been more geared towards "go fix the 
world in far and remote places also". :-)

I would expect the community who uses similar blackhole criteria as you 
to be fairly insignificant to the spammers revenue stream. So the stream 
must be cut at the source, not just fending off the 1% somewhere.

Pete