comments on addressing futures....

Tue Sep 23 00:23:25 UTC 2003

John,

I have forwarded your comments to the appropriate list so that they can
be archived.  Please look at the ARIN announcement for details
concerning these documents.

Thanks,

Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On 
> Behalf Of John Brown
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:30 PM
> To: bmanning at karoshi.com
> Cc: nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: comments on addressing futures....
> 
> 
> 
> YAO (yet another organization)
> 
> Seems the world is full of orgs and people wanting to create
> yet a new thing to solve the problem.  Make it a new thing and
> we can fix the issues at hand.
> 
> I've seen enough of the BS between ICANN and ARIN (and other RIR's)
> to know that if both sides would really sit down and be constructive
> we wouldn't need YAO..
> 
> Now that ICANN has a bunch of new management (ergo LT and MLS 
> are gone)
> maybe the RIR's and ICANN should put their hurt feeling (yes one hurt
> badly bruised feeling) away and figure out how to work within the
> structure that exists today.  Ergo the ASO and ICANN
> 
> I personally am quite worried about the RIR"s creating a NRO
> (Is that Number Resource Org, or National Recon Org ??)
> 
> I don't see the "broken part here".  
> 
> I don't see the masses screeming for the head(s) of the RIR on 
> a platter, ala Verisign and wildcards.
> 
> I don't see the community pointing the finger en mass to the RIR's
> and saying ITS BROKE, Someone should take it away from them.
> 
> Heck, I don't even see the looneys out there really screaming
> that the RIR process is broken.
> 
> Since it doesn't really seem broken, why are we trying to 'fix' it ??
> 
> It does seem to me that a select few people want more control 
> (term empire building comes to mind) of the IP space and for various
> non-operational (show me broken operational things wrt RIRs) reasons
> want to kill ICANN.
> 
> Killing ICANN in all seriousness isn't the right answer.  Some months
> ago I finally gave up on them, figured it was a lost cause and that
> they should go the way of the dodo.
> 
> Well that was a wrong thought.  If we don't have them things will
> be worse.  They DO have to stand up to Verisign on this Wildcard
> thing, but they can't do it in one day.
> 
> Again, we the community should be helping ICANN get its act together.
> 
> They are after all trying to hire some senior technical managment
> people.  Certainly there are qualified people on this list to
> fill that slot.
> 
> No, NRO is BAD, its bad like splitting the roots. Plain and simple
> as that.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:22:47PM -0700, bmanning at karoshi.com wrote:
> > 
> >  this from the ARIN-PPL mailing list...  it deserves broad 
> consideration,
> >  even from NANOG :)
> > 
> > 	-------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > william at elan.com writes:
> > 
> > Since ARIN has been sending new proposals today, they seem to have 
> > forgotten the most important one of all, that applies to 
> all RIRs and how 
> > they deal with ICANN. The info is at 
> http://lacnic.net/sp/draft-9-22.html
> > 
> > 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> > The four RIRs (Regional Internet Registries): APNIC, ARIN, 
> LACNIC, and
> > RIPE NCC have jointly worked on the preparation of a 
> proposal concerning
> > the liaison among the RIRs as well as the structure through 
> which the
> > RIRs and their communities take part in ICANN.
> > 
> > As a consequence, three documents have been prepared: 
> > 
> > - Proposal to execute an agreement between the four RIRs in order to
> > create the Number Resource Organization (NRO). This 
> organization will
> > represent the interests of the IP addresses community before the
> > national, international or public entities.  
> > 
> > - Proposal of a Memorandum of Understanding between the RIRs, to act
> > through the NRO and the ICANN in relation to the ASO 
> (Address Supporting
> > Organization), the ICANN section committed to the Internet Number
> > Resources issues. The ASO was created through a previous 
> Memorandum of
> > Understanding, signed in 1999. The current proposal would  
> replace the
> > previous Memorandum, modifying the present ASO structure. 
> > 
> > - Proposal of an Open Letter from the RIRs to the ICANN 
> relative to the
> > previous items.
> > 
> > The RIRs call for public comments from the community 
> members in relation
> > to these documents. As the comments will be jointly 
> organized, they will
> > be officially managed in English.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 