This may be stupid but..

Sun Nov 9 16:32:35 UTC 2003

Vadim Antonov wrote:
> 
> The only problem - they have no clue about the profession they're
> recruiting for and tend to judge applicants not by them saying reasonable
> things but by their self-assuredness and by keywords in resume.

   And Statistics show, the less knowledgeable you are in this
field, the more cock sure of yourself you are, and the opposite
hsa been proven true, as well.

  (Time and time again in help desks around the world,
    every single day.. ;)

> Recruiters ...
 > (snip)
>  In the end, they screen out all geeks and you end up with
> a bunch of polished liars.

   Vadim, you are getting as jaded as Bill.

    :P

   (Albeit accurate!)

> Better use networking and referrals, and Internet-based resources.
> 
> --vadim
> 
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003,  John Brown (CV) wrote:
> 
> 
>>so negotiate with the recruiter.
>>
>>benifits of a recuriter are:
>>
>>* they take the twit calls
>>* they read thru the resumes and sort the junk out
>>* they do the screening
>>* they do the reference and background checks
>>* they have more resources to find people than you do
>>
>>this saves you time and money on your end.  time better
>>spent building customer base, solving customer problems, etc.
>>
>>and if you do a good contract with the recruiter, if the
>>person you hire is sacked, they find you a new one at no cost :)
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 05:16:46PM -0500, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
>>
>>>If this question is inappropriate for this list I apoligize in advance.
>>>
>>>I have several open engineering positions that I am trying to fill without
>>>the use of a recruiter.  My thoughts on using a recruiter is they end up
>>>extracting a fee from the employer that would be better put to the future
>>>employee.  
>>>
>>>My question, what is the most effective way to recruit quality engineers?
>>>Does anyone have experience or opinions to share?
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Shawn
> 
> 