identity theft != spam

Thu May 15 19:37:29 UTC 2003

This issue is not just that the spammer in question forged headers, this
person also used stolen credit card numbers to sign up for new accounts to
thwart Earthlink's abuse department. I suspect this will be the core of
the fraud case - any activity involving use of stolen card numbers over
telecomunications networks is wire fraud. There may also have been
fraudulent claims made in some of the UCE emails (yes, shocking! :)

Kudos to Mary Youngblood at Eathlink for going after this guy...

- Daniel Golding

On Thu, 15 May 2003, John Payne wrote:

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> --On Thursday, May 15, 2003 19:14 +0200 Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
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> > what is wrong with this picture?
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> apart from the fact you've confused nanog with spam-l?
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> > this exemplifies the corporate and legislative attempt to confuse
> > spam == uce with forgery.  if they can make the latter the issue,
> > this leaves the way completely clear for unsolicited commercial
> > email from the corporate sector which now fills our post boxes with
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> Carmack stole identities to sign up for Earthlink accounts.  Don't confuse
> this with putting someone else's email address in his ratware.
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> And the thing that protects us against unsolicited commercial email from
> the corporate sector is ISPs enforcing their AUPs.  Spammers forge, steal,
> hijack to avoid AUP enforcement.
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