Did Sean Gorman's maps show the cascading vulnerability in Ohio?

Mon Aug 18 15:59:26 UTC 2003

We have a permutation of this in NH.  When the hole is greater than 1'
deep we need a permit.  This does illustrate the difficulties though we
have too much government interference now. _but_ we do need some way of
ensuring that information is used responsibly and I do not think that a
government agency is the right way to go about solving this dilemma.

Out here in the sticks a popular form of entertainment seems to be
shooting out the insulators on transmission lines.  I really do not want
to tell Bubba and Joe which lines will plunge the region into darkness.
On the other hand I need the information so that I can put into place the
appropriate measures to ensure that services stay online in the event
Bubba and Joe hit the wrong line.

                            Scott C. McGrath

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Kevin Oberman wrote:

> > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Scott McGrath <mcgrath at fas.harvard.edu>
> > Sender: owner-nanog at merit.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > Information should be free.  This however assumes that people will be
> > _responsible_ for what is done with the information.
> >
> > On Manuel and Jose - with a valid permit number they get the information
> > if Bubba and Joe do not have a _valid_ permit number they do not get the
> > information because in the absence of legitimate need for this information
> > they probably should not have it
>
> This does not at all match reality. People don't have to have a permit
> to need to call USA (Call before you dig where I live.) Many things
> not requiring a permit do require calling USA before digging. I just
> tell them that I am digging at a location and they tell me if it's OK
> and if anything is near-by.
>
> I've been told to call for any dig deeper than 1 foot. Planting a tree
> does not require a permit, but the hole is plenty deep enough to be a
> problem!
> --
> R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
> Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
> Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
> E-mail: oberman at es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634
>