Independent space from ARIN

Tue Apr 15 12:43:39 UTC 2003

Thats not _that_ large a turnover, $6m, and $2.3m for salaries isnt that big. 
Altho I wonder what the $1m of fringe benefits are!

Not for profit simply means the company keeps hold of any profits it makes and 
reinvests/reduces fees as a result. It doesnt stop you paying senior staff large 
salaries tho as thats wages overhead not profit...

Steve

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Brian Johnson wrote:

> 
> I thought ARIN was a not-for-profit organization. Like a co-op.
> 
> I want a cut as I am an ARIN member. :-)
> 
> - Brian J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at techmonkeys.org>
> To: "Richard A Steenbergen" <ras at e-gerbil.net>; <nanog at merit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Independent space from ARIN
> 
> 
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 02:21:01AM -0400, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> >
> > > * Why do we have to pay very large sums of money ($2500+ per year at a
> > >   minimum) for this wonderful IP policing service. Where in the heck
> does
> > >   all that money go?
> >
> > From http://www.arin.net/library/corp_docs/budget.html :
> >
> > Out of the $7,861,700.00 they raked in last year:
> >
> > SALARIES $2,326,653.85
> > FRINGE BENEFITS $1,045,063.15
> > HIRING COSTS $75,000.00
> > TRAVEL AND CONFERENCE $631,732.40
> > COMMUNICATIONS $236,699.62
> > COMPUTER $118,941.75
> > DEPRECIATION $445,750.00
> > RENT & OCCUPANCY $461,287.00
> > GENERAL OFFICE $192,400.00
> > LEGAL FEES $100,000.00
> > Legal Defense Fund $200,000.00
> > ICANN SUPPORT $188,480.00
> > Other Internet Support - Merit & ISOC  $100,000.00
> > LACNIC SUPPORT $66,000.00
> > CONSULTING $184,000.00
> > Total $6,372,007.76
> >
> >
> > In other words, they're milking the cash cow.
> >
> > > * Why are we expected to continue the status quo of paying thousands of
> > >   dollars for addresses in IPv6? Without the threat of an artifical
> > >   shortage to "manage", what possible reason is there to justify ARIN's
> > >   existance or fees? Why do we all get the feeling IPv6 isn't an end to
> > >   the expenses, but rather a vast new market of registration and renewal
> > >   fees?
> >
> > Because the owners of the cash cow don't want it to go away.
> >
> > > --
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