Even the New York Times withholds the address

Barry Shein bzs at world.std.com
Tue Nov 19 21:54:21 UTC 2002


Before we get too, too, smug about this if you view the Manhattan
skyline, particularly downtown (e.g., SOHO/Tribeca) you'll see
house-sized water tanks on many, many buildings, particularly 3-10
story older buildings. I assume due to inadequate water pressure but I
honestly don't know why they're there, but they're all over.

I don't know if they're quite large enough for the proposed use, but
their existence would seem to defy most of the objections asserted
below.

On November 19, 2002 at 13:43 blitz at macronet.net (blitz) wrote:
 > 
 > One last addition to this idiotic water idea.. since the water doesn't get 
 > up there to the reservoir on the roof by itself, add your costs of huge 
 > pumps, plus the cost of pumping it up there, and a less than 100% 
 > efficiency in converting falling water to electricity. Also, add heating it 
 > in the winter to keep it liquid instead of solid, decontamination chemicals 
 > (cant have any Leigonella bacillus growing in there in the summer) Its all 
 > moot, as the weight factor makes this a non-starter.
 > 
 > 
 > Next:
 > 
 > You cant store large amounts of propane inside an occupied building, I cant 
 > imagine any FD allowing it. We had an example in a nearby city some years 
 > ago, a 500 gallon propane tank leaked  and exploded inside a brick 
 > building, leveled a city block and killed 12 firefighters. Nahh...
 > 
 > Fuel cells, run on natural gas are the best idea I've heard to date, and 
 > the safest if you're confined to upper floors, but youre talking BIG $$$ 
 > here...whats wrong with batteries, a natural gas genny and a converter 
 > system, telco style? If this is all about diesel storage, why not put the 
 > tanks/gennys in the basement or lower more secure floors? (Im assuming 
 > burial is out of the question in NYC) That way a small day tank would 
 > suffice at the upper floors.
 > 
 > Marc
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > >Now, figure out how many kw you need to run a telecom hotel, and you'll
 > >know just how large your tank needs to be (and how much weight the
 > >building structure is going to have to support).  Even if you assume
 > >100% efficiency, the tank is still going to me, um, rather largish.
 > >
 > >     -- Brett

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