DDOS attacks and Large ISPs doing NAT?
Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu
Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu
Thu May 2 18:42:31 UTC 2002
On Thu, 02 May 2002 11:32:48 PDT, "Mansey, Jon" said:
> As I said, in a NAT'd scenario the IP stack will never see an unsolicited
> request and hence not respond to it.
>
> The phone side of course will ring when called. Duh.
That's the *point*.
You hand the phone a trojan/virus/whatever when it's making an OUTBOUND
connection on the NAT side (for instance, if the PDA side is checking
mail, feed it a trojaned piece of mail). You then have the trojan drop
you a note "Oh, and my phone number is XXX-YYYY".
Then, when it's time to attack somebody, you send the phone a page that
tells the trojan "Hey XXX-YYYY, wake up and pound on victim address <whatever>".
With proper encoding of the page, the phone's owner may even just say
"Damn, more <bleeping> Korean spam in characters I can't read", and not notice
that 45 seconds later, the phone starts chirping away by itself....
The point is that you can contact the phone via *non-NAT* means and have it
launch an attack - the fact you can't wake it up via NAT can be worked around.
--
Valdis Kletnieks
Computer Systems Senior Engineer
Virginia Tech
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