[OT] Re: Readiness for IPV6

Wed Jul 10 02:24:33 UTC 2002

You should be using cmd.exe under xp:
C:\Documents and Settings\winter>cmd /?
Starts a new instance of the Windows XP command interpreter

--Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Matthew S. Hallacy
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:28 PM
To: nanog at merit.edu
Subject: [OT] Re: Readiness for IPV6

On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 02:01:35AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> <flame>
> Ah.. so everywhere you see 'text' and have to input 'text' is DOS? 
> Cool bash == DOS, shells are DOS.
> 
> A thing like this:
> 8<---------
> Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
> (C) Copyright 1985-2000 Microsoft Corp.
> 
> C:\>
> --------->8
> is called a "Command Prompt" and has nothing to do with DOS. Why 
> doesn't anybody complain when it's on *ix boxes ? It's shell 
> everywhere then :)
> 

Pardon me:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\>command /?
Starts a new instance of the MS-DOS command interpreter.

COMMAND [[drive:]path] [device] [/E:nnnnn] [/P] [/C string] [/MSG]

[snip rest of output]

Looks like it still claims to be the MS-DOS command interpreter to me,
using the 'user friendly' name of 'Command Prompt' doesn't change what
it is.

[snip]

> They didn't 'exploit' me yet in the last 3 years I am using the 
> development versions of the stack :) And everything has bugs

As soon as it's in use enough for an exploit to be useful, it will be.

> </Flame>

[snip links]

Don't forget
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/techinfo/administration/ipv6/defa
ult.asp

Which instructs you to go to a command prompt, like I said =)

> 
> And as for your "it's difficult': 
> http://www.ipng.nl/index.php3?page=setup.html&forcepage=windows.html
> Or the single line: "ipv6 adu 3/fec0::1"
> 
> Interface 3 (site 1): Local Area Connection
>   uses Neighbor Discovery
>   link-level address: 00-d0-b7-8f-5d-42
>     preferred address fec0::1, infinite/infinite
>     preferred address 3ffe:8114:2000:240:2d0:b7ff:fe8f:5d42,
> 2591593s/604393s (addrconf)
> 
> Tada ;)
> 

Yes, this is too difficult for 'joe blow user', as I said.

> I think the problem is reading the docs is difficult.
> IPv6 will be/is autoconfig all the way fortunatly so those 'native 
> config' tools isn't going to be used by a lot of people.

Users do not read documentation.

> 
> Maybe also a nice tool for people saying "but IPv4 has a GUI on 
> windows" you might like to type 'netsh' ones in your "DOS" prompt ;)

If a user can't point, click, and go, they're unlikely to do something,
I've dealt with people that went over a month without their internet
access simply because they were afraid they would have to troubleshoot
their internet connection over the phone.

> btw.. DOS == command.com, NT = cmd.exe, there *is* a difference.

Yes, one is named command.com, one is named cmd.exe, it was easier than
typing start <cmd> from the DOS command prompt.

> Greets,
>  Jeroen

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