MBONE

Sat Dec 28 07:03:14 UTC 2002

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:02:35AM +0200, Rafi Sadowsky wrote:
> Seems your network(cluenet.de) finds sending traffic that way attractive 
> 
>  Otherwise why does traffic from Israel(via Italy) to your website
> in Germany go via C&W in the USA ?

You mix up two things. A technical discussion (what the thread is about)
and a commercial/policy/politics discussion (that's what you're trying to
make up here... or are you just baiting?).

Then again, you also mix up direction of traffic. Traceroute from here
to you doesn't go via the US:

traceroute to 128.139.216.1 (128.139.216.1): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets
 1  fe5-1-r10-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.181.1)  0.685/0.997/1.27 (0.240) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 2  ge9-0-bb1-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.20)  0.434/0.616/0.760 (0.135) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 3  ge-0-1-0-arj2-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.16)  0.528/0.694/0.811 (0.120) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 4  zcr1-ge-4-1-0.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.21)  0.514/0.680/0.803 (0.121) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 5  zcr2-ge-4-3-0-5.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.254)  7.94/7.99/8.01 (0.031) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 6  bcr2-so-3-0-0.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.193.209)  7.68/7.85/7.95 (0.120) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 7  bcr1.Paris.cw.net (208.172.250.61)  16.6/16.6/16.6 (0.021) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 8  cable-and-wireless-peering.Paris.cw.net (208.172.251.182)  16.5/16.5/16.6 (0.051) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
 9  prs-bb1-pos0-3-0.telia.net (213.248.70.1)  16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.106) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
10  ffm-bb1-pos2-1-0.telia.net (213.248.64.190)  16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.083) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
11  ffm-new-b2-pos2-1.telia.net (213.248.64.174)  16.7/16.8/17.0 (0.118) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
12  dante-01232-ffm-new-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.77.90)  107/107/107 (0.027) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
13  de1-1.de2.de.geant.net (62.40.96.130)  107/107/107 (0.038) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
14  de.it1.it.geant.net (62.40.96.62)  116/116/117 (0.424) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
15  it.il1.il.geant.net (62.40.96.153)  168/168/168 (0.092) ms  3/3 pkts (0% loss)
16  62.40.103.226 (62.40.103.226)  *  *  169/169/169 (0.000) ms  1/3 pkts (67% loss)

Not perfect (Frankfurt->Paris->Frankfurt), but stays in EU (before going
to .il).

So you should probably discuss your route to me with your uplink if
you're unhappy with the path it takes.

Please follow up via private mail if you really desire, but keep this debate
off NANOG, thanks.

Regards,
Daniel