FW: /8s and filtering
tme at multicasttech.com
Tue Dec 10 19:36:34 UTC 2002
Did they ?
(I was involved with such a proposal, and it was turned down at the last
so I am curious if something else did get approved.)
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Ejay Hire wrote:
> Having a /24 doesn't indicate you are a network of any particular size,
> ARIN ratified a policy that allows multihoming as justification for a
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N [mailto:nathan at stonekitty.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:01 PM
> To: Forrest
> Cc: nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: FW: /8s and filtering
> comments inline
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 12:36:39PM -0600, Forrest wrote:
>>>> I was also curious about this - if I am a customer who wants to
>>>> multihome and can justify only a /24, I would go to an ISP which
> has an
>>>> allocation from the Class C space rather than one from the Class A
>>> It doesn't matter. For all practical purposes, basement
>>> care that their two or three providers have their route.
>> Maybe I'm missing something, but what good would it do for someone to
>> multihome if only their own providers accept their route, but nobody
>> does? I realize that their block should be still announced with their
>> ISP's larger aggregate, but what good does this do if your ISP goes
>> and can't announce the large aggregate.
> For the assigned block to be part of the same aggregate(of both
> providers), that implys that the providers sharing the responsibility
> for the aggregate. It happens, but is rare. In this case, the providers
> must accept more specific routes from each other, that is within the
> space being aggregated. If they do not share specifics, one uplink down
> will cause a large percentage ~50% for the customer. This scenario is
> valid for load balancing, but redundancy is fragile. The only advantage
> I see is no limit to prefix length. You can do this with a /28 if you
> want... given the above caveats are addressed.
>> If you're a smaller organization, perhaps you'll only have a /23 from
>> upstream provider. With the filtering that seems to be in place, it
>> like the only way you can truly multihome with a /23 is if it happens
>> be in the old Class C space. Or is this wrong?
> In today's VLSM world... the old classes have no bearing on filtering in
> my experience. Prefix length discrimination knows no classfull
>> What seems to be needed is perhaps a /8 set aside by the RIR
>> to allocate to small organizations that wish to multihome that people
>> would accept /24 and shorter from.
> There is value in the current filtering of longest prefixes... Allowing
> anyone to multihome with BGP, using any network size, is going to double
> our BGP tables overnight. Perhaps its good that you must be of some size
> to participate in public BGP. Many providers offer redundancy that is
> more appropriate for the smaller networks.
> ~Nathan - routing & switching dude/fly-boy/sport biker - San Jose CA~
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