[OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on XPunless you pay them..

Sun Apr 21 19:11:24 UTC 2002

I was thinking ISP provided PPPOE DSL modem software, DSLAM 'devices' - come
to think about it , really ANY non-Microsoft networking device/software
combination you might use that "uses, accesses or executes on" the box...
but who cares? - hasn't stopped or slowed one packet yet :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Call [mailto:scall at devolution.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> To: Benjamin P. Grubin
> Cc: 'Richard Forno'; brucewms at pacbell.net; 'Nanog (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal' on
> XPunless you pay them..
>
>
> Programs made "illegal" by this license:
>
> VNC
> PCAnywhere
> Apache (CGI)
> IIS (CGI) <-- Weird, ain't it?
> etc...
>
> It could conceivably be applied to dedicated Quake servers
> and the like as
> well.
>
> Easy way to solve problem, don't run Wndows VMSNT2kXP :)
>
> Apologies for the non-op content, back to your regularly scheduled noc
> pinging.
>
> -S
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:
>
> >
> > Err--I think you guys are reading too much into this.  The
> license (to
> > me, and IANAL), seems to indicate that the workstation
> cannot be used as
> > a server unless you purchase server licenses.  It strikes me that
> > language very similar to this has been in the workstation
> products since
> > NT4.
> >
> > I do, OTOH, think that the legal ramifications sounds quite
> far-reaching
> > since the language is so broad.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu] On
> > > Behalf Of Richard Forno
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 9:22 AM
> > > To: brucewms at pacbell.net; Nanog (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [OT]Microsoft makes networked software 'illegal'
> > > on XPunless you pay them...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's funny.
> > >
> > > Yet another case of someone - either a company through
> licensing and
> > > litigation, or a government through legislation - trying to
> > > effect both
> > > software quality.
> > >
> > > Forget the fact that such tools may be exploitable - if
> > > you're a computer
> > > criminal, the fact you're violating a software license clause
> > > probably isn't
> > > going to deter you from your actions, much like how 'drug
> > > crimes using a
> > > gun' probably doesn't deter many drug criminals, either.
> > >
> > > Instead of addressing the technical problem - eg, poor
> > > software development
> > > and flaws in how the software works -  we're once again seeing it
> > > legislated/litigated away (I'm thinking of Adobe E-Reader,
> > > DeCSS, etc here).
> > > Talk about burying your head in the sand, which appears to be
> > > the status
> > > quo, even in today's environment of security hysteria where
> > > we 'need to do
> > > more'.
> > >
> > > From what I see here in DC, nobody's REALLY interested in
> addressing
> > > security long term, as it will rock the boat too much; so we
> > > continue seeing
> > > little goofy ways to look like security is being addressed
> > > when in reality,
> > > security ISN'T being addressed.
> > >
> > > rf
> > > infowarrior.org
> > > windows-free since 1999 :)
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Bruce Williams <brucewms at pacbell.net>
> > > > From
> > > >
> > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/03/18/020318oplivi
> > ngston.xml
> > >
> > > Microsoft's XP license agreement says, "Except as
> otherwise permitted
> > by
> > > the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features
> > described
> > > below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use,
> > access,
> > > display, or run other executable software residing on the
> Workstation
> > > Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access,
> display, or
> > run the
> > > Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device
> has a separate
> > > license for the Product."
> > >
> > > I guess this improves security....
> > >
> > > bye,
> > > Bruce Williams
> > > "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers"
> > >
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> --
> Scott Call	Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib
> "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it, because it is absurd.)
>
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