minor quibble. on http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0206/index.html, it says: "Richmond Hill, Ontario, CN" i suspect it was meant as "Richmond Hill, Ontario, CA". we used to joke about needing a passport to go that far north of downtown, but Richmond Hill isn't in China. 8^) -- [ Jim Mercer jim at reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ I want to live forever, or die trying. ]