end2end? (was: RE: Where NAT disenfranchises the end-user ...)
Adam McKenna
adam-nanog at flounder.net
Fri Sep 7 23:49:26 UTC 2001
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 07:50:05PM -0400, Andy Dills wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Leo Bicknell esoterically agitated:
>
> > It does have some interesting implication as to who can modify data
> > as well. If a device in the middle has license to modify data in
> > the middle of a data stream, what are the limits of that license?
> > If my service provider uses NAT without my consent can I sue them
> > for reading/changing my data? If not, why would I be able to sue
> > them if they do the same thing to e-mail? What is the difference?
>
> You can sue whoever you want, for whatever you want, whenever you want.
>
> Can you show damages in the situation of email? Yes. With packets? No. And
> before you come back at me with some crazy convoluted contrived scenario,
> let's just realize how far off the beaten path we are at this point. If
> your ISP is going to force you to use NAT, "against your will", get a new
> fricking provider. For that matter, what ISP NATs you against your will?
I've been waiting for an answer to this since the thread started -- but then
I realized that the NAT argument is just a smokescreen which enables Meyer to
continue his prefix filtering flamewar. The sooner you all stop paying
attention to him, the better off this list will be.
--Adam
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