Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?

Mon Oct 29 05:26:39 UTC 2001

On 03:01 PM 10/28/2001 -0800, Mike Batchelor wrote:
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 >Vixie said:
 >> That way lies madness.  Senders have no such rights, and the
 >> determination of a message's legitimacy lies with recipients (and
 >> perhaps infrastructure owners) NOT senders.
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 >How is the recipient of a message that has been blocked before he sees it to
 >decide whether it was legitimate?

What business is it of yours what procedures other people might take to 
block email they don't want delivered into their inbox?

 >Since most of what MAPS is about is reducing complaints from customers to
 >their ISP, and thereby reducing support costs, I guess the question is
 >answered.  If no one complains, there is no problem.  Since no one can
 >complain about unseen messages, that means that collateral damage is not
 >really a problem, since it does not increase support costs.

Hi, Bob?  This is Susan.  I haven't received a reply from you regarding the 
email I sent yesterday, did you get it?  You didn't?  Hmmm.  Let me try 
resending it.

Hi Bob?  This is Susan again.  Did you get that second email 
yet?  No?!  Maybe you should call your ISP to find out why!  Yes,  I 
already called mine, they don't have any info, they say the mail server 
logs show that both the messages were delivered to your ISP.

Hi, Mr. ISP support guy?  This is Bob.  It seems that I'm not getting all 
of my email....

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Collateral damage IS a problem, but that's part of why it works to reduce spam.

jc