Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt

Fri Oct 26 17:09:08 UTC 2001

Me thinks that when such technologies be commercialized on the net, there
will be problems. Usually, IP and such technologies are the charge of the
internet community and we form committees, or use IEEE, IETF, RFCs,
ARIN...etc for these and other technologies and come to  open internet
standards and agreements on how to improve such things. Now we have these
people coming in here on their own and attempting to shove their technolgies
down our pipes w/o OUR concensus! Anyone now see the problem with this? I
believe this to be the key as to why this is wrong and why DI, or Akamai,
should not be even allowed to 'help' the internet.

Marc Quibell
ICN Network Operations Center
Data Operations Group
noc at icn.state.ia.us
1-800-572-3940

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Batchelor [mailto:mikebat at tmcs.net]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM
To: nanog at merit.edu
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt

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> in the case where the sender and receiver are communicating between one
> or many third parties, there is no direct relationship and thus no apriori
> terms of service to which the traffic must conform.  for this, we
> reverse the
> model: "everything not welcomed is forbidden" and thus create a prior
> restraint problem which goes by the name "what, then, is implicitly
> welcome or unwelcome?"

And how does the owner communicate this to the sender ahead of time?  I
don't
think you can, else there would not be a spam problem.  Therefore, the only
logical position the sender can take, if he is to act at all, is to assume
that whatever is not actively prevented or refused, is welcome, until such
time as he is notified otherwise.  If it is not this way, how can ANY
unsolicited communication take place?  Must I ask permission to ask
permission?

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"The avalanche has already begun.  It is too late for the pebbles to vote" -
Kosh

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