black hat .cn networks

neil d. quiogue quioguen at
Tue May 8 10:29:09 UTC 2001

Well there may be a myriad of reasons on why the admins of those ISPs do not
1. abuse/postmaster goes to some mailbox no one reads like root which
contains a bunch of other messages.
2. Language issue has been mentioned and it's a valid one.  I don't think
many admins are aware of those translators.
3. They don't know how to handle such cases.
4. They don't care?

I don't think the encoding matters much since one is sending from a
non-Big5/SJIS encoding to Big5/SJIS encoding and those that support
Big5/SJIS support the other encodings.  The other way around might be a
problem though.

But the nonresponse is a valid concern.  I wonder if I'll be censored soon.


Neil D. Quiogue
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hollis" <goemon at>
To: "Wing Wong" <dualwing at>
Cc: <nanog at>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: black hat .cn networks

> On Tue, 8 May 2001, Wing Wong wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Dan Hollis wrote:
> > > On Tue, 8 May 2001, Paul Lantinga wrote:
> > > > Justin, et al, do you have any *proof* that these attacks are coming
> > > > Chinese attackers on Chinese machines?
> > > We may never know since mainland china admins never respond to abuse
> > Ever consider the possibility that the admins in question don't
> > English? It'd be like if someone sends you a Big5 or SJIS encoded
> > complaining about spam or cracks and all you see is binary jiberish on
> > your screen.
> > Even romanized communications would be difficult to understand.
> I can use babelfish, why can't they?
> Yes, babelfish is less than perfect, but I can usually grok the gist of an
> email.
> And if babelfish isnt good enough, there's others.
> FWIW I've had a chinese friend in canada send a BIG5 email once and the
> same -- no response.
> -Dan

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