Public peering points in the Detroit, MI Area

Jared Mauch jared at
Wed Jul 11 17:26:06 UTC 2001

On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0400, Brian Cashman wrote:
> I'd be happy to consider such a thing. If you could forward to me what
> you have from 7 years ago I'd be interested in seeing that. The was
> before my time at Merit. Also, John, I'd be happy to discuss a private
> peering arrangement, if you're interested. 
> A problem, I'll have to admit, is that Ann Arbor hasn't had very good
> external connectivity. This is changing and we (Merit) are in the
> process of implementing some high speed links (OC-48) out of town (and
> out of state). 

	I've found that a lot of people in Michigan tend to appear
at the Phone Michigan (aka Mcleoud) facility and the Coast to Coast
facilities (Flint and Pontiac).  The problem is there is no available
switch fabric.  It would probally only take a little prodding of
Coast and quite a bit more from Mcleoud to get them to turn something

> In general, I believe that Michigan hasn't had very good connectivity
> due in part (perhaps mostly) to its geography. Most carrier facilities
> enter in the southeast, go north to Detroit, then go west along I-94
> until they leave Michigan into Indiana. It's been pretty rare to find
> fiber north of I-94 which only sits about 50 miles north of Michigan's
> southern border. The lakes on each side preclude a nice neat east to
> west fiber build. And don't ask about Michigan's upper peninsula. A
> different LATA with no available facilities (to my knowledge) across the
> Mackinac bridge. So, everything between the two halves of the state goes

	My understanding is Ameritech (the ILEC) is the only carrier
with facilities across the bridge.

> through other states. Michigan is a tough state to run a statewide
> network. At any rate, things are looking better.

	A lot of carriers have facilities in Southfield as L3 has
a colo there they have opened.  Someone would just need to lease
a cage and operate a switch in there.  I'm sure it would be easy
to get a list of customers that are there that have bgp clue.

> Anyway, I think that lack of good facilities has hampered the creation
> of a public peering point in Michigan. The facilities situation seems to
> be getting better so perhaps the peering point situation will too.

	Yes, this is the problem we had also at my previous job.  We
had to pull a connection to AADS to get regional peering and negotiate
for a ethernet cable with others to peer in the coast and phone-mi

	- jared

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