charitable organization for the shrinkage of the global routing table

Fri Jan 26 16:12:18 UTC 2001

Surely, even your idealism, after having been in NANOG and networking as 
long as you have, hasn't stayed as pure and intact as to offer your 
suggestion seriously.  Please tell me you're joking.

We all know from prior experience what the worst offenders will do under 
your suggestion:  They'll avoid those pesky messages not by fixing their 
aggregation but by changing their contact records to use dummy email 
addresses, or at least by installing email filters that junk anything not 
from their registrar.  Those who likely would do the right thing upon 
receiving your "reminders" are equally likely to already have done the 
right thing on CIDR and won't be getting your reminders.

I'm sufficiently confident that this would happen that I won't even bother 
with my aging argument about appropriate use of contact info.

Much of the net is now given over to powerless corporate shift-workers who 
know better to fight the wrong thing when it comes down from 
management.  Harassment doesn't work in that environment if it doesn't hit 
the bottom line.  You would stand a better chance with Sean's "porn for 
CIDR" farce.

--eric
   (Yes, I'm a cynic)

At 09:05 AM +0200, 01/26/2001, Hank Nussbacher wrote:

>At 11:42 25/01/01 -0800, smd at clock.org wrote:
>
>A different idea:
>
>Many of us get these "hacking/spamming reports" generated by end users due 
>to some portscan or spam.  Typical systems sending these out are Lockdown 
>2000, Spamcop, etc.  Many different ones on the market.  Very automated, 
>not always looking up the proper RADB info, but they do get ones attention 
>sometimes.
>
>Why not some volunteer create a program like this for sysadmins?  Every so 
>often, I would double click it, it would telnet/ssh over to the router of 
>my choice (I supply the user/pswd), do a 'term len 0', 'sho ip bgp' and 
>when completed - process the results, select out the worse 
>non-aggregators, find their info in ARIN/RIPE/APNIC, and fire off some 
>preformatted emails to the technical and admin contacts at these ISPs.
>
>Or have the program access Tony's latest CIDR walk data at 
>http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html and do the contact 
>lookup from that point.  Might even be easier.
>
>-Hank
>
>
>>The slopes of the curves maintained by Geoff, Erik and Tony appear
>>to be steepening, and while 10**5 routes is a no-brainer to a modern
>>core router, 10**6 is hard, and nothing known will deal with 10**7.
>>We all save enormous money by making sure CIDR keeps the curve as
>>flat as reasonably possible.
>>
>>It seems that getting people to be good aggregators is pretty tricky,
>>in part because alot of the offenders don't seem to have the time to
>>follow the operational forums in which their names come up again and again.
>>
>>At the last IEPG I suggested we collectively send "slot-occupation" bills
>>for small numbers of dollars per long prefix to the worst offenders, in
>>hopes they get the message, or pay each of us for necessary equipment
>>upgrades, operational costs, R&D, and so forth.  Since nobody seems as
>>crazy as me, it was counter-suggested that I start a charitable
>>clearing-house, which would send out bills on behalf of "everyone"
>>to the baddies.  Hey, maybe some folks will pay, maybe some will
>>aggregate (having gotten the message), while others will have to
>>be handed over to maximally aggressive collections agencies, or
>>even *gasp* be subjected to filtering by one or more providers.
>>
>>I have a simple alternative proposal to put pressure on the "bad guys".
>>
>>Project: set up streaming porn servers that, when a source connects from
>>-------- an address block announced by an AS in the list of Tony Bates's
>>top-N bad aggregators, results in a message like this:
>>
>>   Dear Prospective User -
>>
>>     You are connecting from [A.A.A.A], an IP address in a
>>   netblock [P.P.P.P/M] which should be aggregated by your
>>   ISP or one of its upstream providers into a longer prefix.
>>   Please see the CIDR Report Project at http://www.employees.org/~tbates/
>>   for an indication of the growth of the global routing table,
>>   which is an expensive phenomenon exacerbated by your upstream
>>   provider(s).
>>
>>     REWARD REWARD REWARD
>>
>>     If you can convince your upstream provider(s) to aggregate,
>>   renumber, or otherwise withdraw [P.P.P.P/M], we will give you
>>   FREE XXX hours of FREE access to the streaming porn on this site.
>>
>>     Otherwise, please have your credit-card handy.  All proceeds
>>   go to the charitable fund for the elimination of long prefixes
>>   and the drainage of the routing table swamp, much of which is
>>   spent on maintaining this excellent source of adult entertainment.
>>
>>Now then, to kick-start the project, we need some bandwidth (easy enough),
>>some sort of content distribution network or server farm (also easy),
>>a studio in a convenient legal jurisdiction (straightforward), lighting,
>>technical support, that kind of thing (simple opex).  Oh, and models.
>>
>>Oh Vint, are you busy?  We need your sexy strip tease.  It's for the
>>good of the Internet, promoting its long-term sustainability and growth.
>>
>>Other suggestions welcome.
>>
>>         Sean.
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