How does one make not playing nice with each other scale? (Was: net.terrorism)

Henry R. Linneweh linneweh at concentric.net
Sun Jan 14 16:26:13 UTC 2001


hmm, what if this is a case where the transit route was capturing other
routes
and disconnecting them, does the backbone carrier have the right to drop
that
route? Is it moral and ethical, in my opinion it is.

Mathew Butler wrote:

>
>
> I'll point out that someone banning a site for AUP violations should
> only be able to affect their own network, since policies are supposed
> to be organization-level.  (Thus, inflicting your policy decision on
> someone else is a very gray area, legally and ethically.)
>
> The reason why MAPS-RBL works (and is legally protected) is because
> everyone who uses it must -consent- to using it, and take positive
> action on their end to configure it.  This means that each
> organization generates and enforces their own policy, though with
> assistance from an outside consultancy.    However, in this case,
> AboveNet is inflicting policy decisions on transit routes =without
> consent=.  (It's obvious this is without consent, otherwise this
> thread would never have come up.)
>
> It brings up an interesting point, but the law has held in the past
> that boycotts are only effective and legal if they're voluntary, and
> if coercion is involved then it become "intimidation tactics" of
> "organized crime".  I can't for the life of me imagine how the
> Internet is any different -- maybe if you tried to apply turnpike or
> private highway rules to it, but those rules are generally based on
> consent, as well.
>
> Just some thoughts...
>
> -Mat Butler
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Mentovai [mailto:mark-list at mentovai.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:26 AM
> To: Paul Vixie
> Cc: nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: How does one make not playing nice with each other scale?
>
> (Was: net.terrorism)
>
> There are a few things that would stand in the way of adoption of
> something
> like this: first, each anti-route would require manual configuration,
> and
> that comes with its own set of problems.  Another potential issue
> (this is
> purely theoretical, I'm not referring to any past, present, or future
> situation in particular) is that providers trying to blackhole a
> certain
> site for AUP violations may want to negatively impact reachability as
> much
> as possible, rather than purely keeping the offending traffic off
> their
> network.  These folks wouldn't want to advertise anti-routes because
> the
> resulting blackhole avoidance would encourage others to take working
> alternate paths, which does less harm to the site in question.
>
> Still, this may be a beneficial, even if little-used, addition.
> Thoughts?
>
> Mark

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