Roeland M.J. Meyer
rmeyer at mhsc.com
Tue Nov 23 07:14:56 UTC 1999
A point that Dean makes here is pretty valid. Last year MHSC tried to run a
third-party secure email service, using sendmail. The only way to do that is
to allow relaying. The nimrods, that are about closing down all mail relays,
absolutely ignore valid business uses for the relays. They don't understand
that someone might want to use a different SMTP server, than the one their
ISP uses, in order to send to someone in the WEB, FTN, VPN, or PER TLDs.
That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function.
I know Ron Guillimette from my daze on the anti-spam lists. Not only is he
rabid, but he lacks a lot of sense. He's an "ends justify means" type.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog at merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog at merit.edu]On Behalf Of
> Dean Anderson
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:16 AM
> To: Kai Schlichting; nanog at merit.edu
> Subject: Re: ARIN whois
> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are
> not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close
> them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally.
> The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that
> access comes from international sources.
> Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged
> ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron
> Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us,
> posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting
> criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make
> sure to mention them prominently.
> Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai
> Schlichting said:
> >At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
> >>Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN's
> whois only gives back a handful.
> >>I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find
> out what they are.
> >>Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris
> Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large
> number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL
> addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal
> complaints underway.
> >Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any
> of them talk to
> >my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your
> bonehead again: THEY
> >WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE
> THEM, NO MATTER
> >HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA,
> AND THERE IS
> >NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE
> WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING
> >THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your
> senses and
> >shut the literal front door of your house now that you've
> finally noticed
> >the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years
> after the rest
> >of us, no doubt.
> >And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either.
> >Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott
> Yelich's tagline).
> >kai at conti.nu "Just say No" to Spam
> Kai Schlichting
> >Palo Alto, New York, You name it Sophisticated
> Technical Peon
> >Kai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE!
> Plain Aviation, Inc dean at av8.com
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