ARIN whois

Derek J. Balling dredd at
Mon Nov 22 22:12:06 UTC 1999

No offense to all, but you are ALL wasting your time trying to convince 
Dean through logic on this topic. We've all been round and round the same 
discussions on the anti-spam mailing lists, and Dean continues to insist 
that he MUST run open relays.

Dean appears to be completely impervious to logic, so don't waste your time 
sending it his way. :)


At 04:07 PM 11/22/99 -0600, Joe Shaw wrote:

>What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
>to the world?  While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
>you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
>means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
>The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
>overworked and way behind.  So, while they will look into the matter, my
>previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
>of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
>or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
>doing trend analysis.  Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
>probably won't get far.
>Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
>Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw at
>Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
>On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
> >
> > These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
> >
> > We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not 
> "accidentally left open".
> >
> >               --Dean

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